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Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 3 22:48:38 2013

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NY Times

To Shape Young Palestinians, Hamas Creates Its Own Textbooks

By Fares Akram and Jodi Rudoren
Published: November 3, 2013
When a class of Palestinian ninth graders in Gaza recently discussed the deadly 1929 riots over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem, it was guided by a new textbook, introduced this fall by the Islamist Hamas movement.

Asked the lesson of the uprising, one of the 40 boys in class promptly answered, “Al Buraq Wall is an Islamic property,” using the Muslim name for the site, one of the holiest in Judaism. Pleased, the teacher then inquired whether the students would boycott Israeli products, as Arabs had boycotted Jewish businesses in 1929. A resounding chorus of “Yes!” came back from the class.

For the first time since taking control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, the Hamas movement is deviating from the approved Palestinian Authority curriculum, using the new texts as part of a broader push to infuse the next generation with its militant ideology.

Among other points, the books, used by 55,000 children in the eighth, ninth and tenth grades as part of a required “national education” course of study in government schools, do not recognize modern Israel, or even mention the Oslo Peace Accords the country signed with the Palestine Liberation Organization in the 1990s.

Textbooks have long been a point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in which dueling historical narratives and cultural clashes underpin a territorial fight. And they are central examples of what Israeli leaders call Palestinian “incitement” against Jews, held up as an obstacle to peace talks newly resumed under American pressure.

Beyond their take on Israel, the new texts are also a salvo in the war for influence between the rival Palestinian factions: Gaza-based Hamas and Fatah, which dominates the Palestinian Authority and the West Bank. They reflect a growing gulf between the 1.7 million Palestinians living in the densely populated Gaza Strip and the 2.5 million spread among the West Bank’s cities and villages.

“Textbooks are always and everywhere a very important means of representing a national ethos,” said Daniel Bar-Tal, a Tel Aviv University professor who helped lead a comprehensive recent study of Israeli and Palestinian textbooks.

“When a leader says something, not everyone is listening. But when we talk about textbooks, all the children, all of a particular peer group, will be exposed to a particular material,” he added. “This is the strongest card.”

What Gaza teenagers are reading in their 50-page hardcover texts this fall includes references to the Jewish Torah and Talmud as “fabricated,” and a description of Zionism as a racist movement whose goals include driving Arabs out of all of the area between the Nile in Africa and the Euphrates in Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

“Palestine,” in turn, is defined as a state for Muslims stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. A list of Palestinian cities includes Haifa, Beersheba and Acre — all within Israel’s 1948 borders. And the books rebut Jewish historical claims to the territory by saying, “The Jews and the Zionist movement are not related to Israel, because the sons of Israel are a nation which had been annihilated.”

For contemporary history, there is a recounting of Hamas’s battle with Israel last fall that exaggerates: The books say that rockets from Gaza sent “three million Zionists underground for eight days” (somewhat fewer Israelis were in and out of shelters sporadically), that Tel Aviv was hit (one missile landed in the sea, and another fell well short) and that an attempted strike on Israel’s Parliament building “forced the Zionists to beg for cease-fire.”

Yosef Kuperwasser, a senior Israeli official who has led the charge against the incitement, said the new texts were blunter expressions of a dangerous message spread throughout Palestinian schools and news media.

“Palestinians have developed a system of deception — to English-speaking people they sell one story, and to themselves they have a different story,” Mr. Kuperwasser said. “Textbooks are one of the tools with which they tell their children what is the truth.” He added, “If you want real peace, it has to be based on a real change in the culture of hatred.”

The study that Professor Bar-Tal co-led found that Palestinian Authority books generally contained more negative characterizations of Israel and less self-criticism than Israeli books do of Palestinians, but that both sides presented the other as the enemy, failed to properly mark most maps and lacked information about each other’s religion, culture and daily life.

Hamas officials said they had introduced the new textbooks, and doubled the time devoted to the national education course to two sessions per week, because they believed that the Palestinian Authority was under pressure from Israel to sanitize its curriculum. “We need to make sure generations stick to the national rights,” said one Hamas lawmaker, Huda Naim.

The Gaza Strip is home to 465,000 students. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which supports Palestinian refugee families, runs 250 schools for grades one to nine, and the Hamas government controls 400 schools serving all grades (there are also 46 private schools). Both Hamas and the refugee agency use the Palestinian Authority curriculum also taught throughout the West Bank, but Hamas has added programs, like a military training elective introduced in high schools last year that focuses on resistance to Israel.

In April, Hamas approved a law requiring gender-segregated schools from age 9, and making criminal any contact between educational institutions and Israel. Hamas has also recently increased modesty patrols to check clothing on college campuses and to stop young unmarried men and women from fraternizing in public.

Abdel-Hakim Abu Jamous, a spokesman for the Palestinian Authority’s Education Ministry in Ramallah in the West Bank, said no national education textbooks were used in West Bank schools, leaving individual teachers to run lessons as they wish. Jehad Zakarna, a senior official in the ministry, said he had not seen the Hamas textbooks, which were introduced at the start of school on Aug. 20, and therefore could not comment on them.

The new books, written by a Hamas committee, feature cover pictures of Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem and the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, a West Bank city, both sites of continuing clashes between Muslim and Jewish worshipers.

Besides their questionable treatment of Israel and Jews, the textbooks present a decidedly Hamas spin on Palestinian politics and recent history. For example, Ahmed Yassin, a Hamas founder, is given equal billing with Yasir Arafat, the former Palestinian president, who remains the definitive national hero in the West Bank.

Anound Ali, a 10th grader at another Gaza City school, expressed concern that the new books could further divide Palestinians. “School textbooks were the last thing uniting us with the West Bank — now we study something different,” she said one recent day after class.

She added: “The book has nothing about Oslo. It’s our right to know about Oslo because it’s a fact in our life.”

At Suliman Sultan School here in Gaza City, a three-story L-shaped building overlooking the rubble of a stadium destroyed by an Israeli F-16 airstrike last November, many students and teachers were thrilled to have the new textbooks.

“It shows the cruelty of the occupation,” said Ahmed Bessisso, a 15-year-old student in the class that discussed the 1929 uprising. “It encourages students to participate in national activities.”

Ahmed’s classmate Mohamed Ajour, also 15, said that he preferred “to study the history of Palestine instead of the history of Egypt or Jordan,” and that the books present the “Palestine I want to learn about — I don’t recognize that Palestine is only Gaza and West Bank.”

Munir Qatayef, who teaches another national education section in the school, said the book had been “big for students.”

“It’s highly politicized,” Mr. Qatayef said. “It’s a lesson of nationalism and belonging.”

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Sun Nov 3 22:51:33 2013, in response to Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 3 22:48:38 2013.

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so they're just like Texas then.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 00:30:39 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Sun Nov 3 22:51:33 2013.

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Pity that someone from Texas isn't near by you to knock some sense into your antisemitic lying ass.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 00:57:39 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 00:30:39 2013.

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have you been reading about what happening with textbooks in Texas?

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:00:00 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 00:57:39 2013.

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Too bad you hate science.

And it's completely different from what Hamas is doing. You're making it look like you approve of what Hamas is doing.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:00:49 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:00:00 2013.

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how is this any different?

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:12:16 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:00:49 2013.

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All you're showing us is that you hate science, free speech and Jews.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:17:19 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:12:16 2013.

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lol

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:19:48 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:17:19 2013.

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Hey, you're the one linking to freakoutnation.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:28:47 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 01:19:48 2013.

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there are plenty of other sources as well no one disputes that Texas want to put creationism in text books

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 03:20:04 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 00:30:39 2013.

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He ain't lying ... Texas has fucked up textbooks nationwide. I'd wager that Hamas can't hold a candle to Jesus riding a dinosaur. :(

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 03:24:48 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:28:47 2013.

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Done deal ... :(

I guess Olog's trying to convince us that Jews don't care about that somehow. :-\

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 03:27:26 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 03:24:48 2013.

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Very few Jews would want Olog is "selling", despite his outward intentions most Jews and true supporters of Israel stay away from his ilk. (And before anyone tries saying I'm disputing the content of what Olog posted in the OP, don't even try it, you should know full well what I'm saying here by now.)

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 03:49:50 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 03:27:26 2013.

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Obviously, but he's still trying to use that as part of his sales pitch. :(

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 08:34:42 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 03:27:26 2013.

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Very few Jews huh? I seriously doubt that. First, I am pleasantly surprised, with reservations it came from the New York nazi Times. Olog thank you for posting. You are righteous gentile.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:47:25 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 08:34:42 2013.

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Yes, very few. You seem to be the exception.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 08:50:15 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:47:25 2013.

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Very few Jews are for destroying the nation/state of Israel like you. By giving away land to arabs. (I refuse to call them palestinians)

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:57:44 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 08:50:15 2013.

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Really? We have to go through all of this again?

Surveys show that the majority of Jews and Israelis are in favor of a two-state solution.

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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 08:59:05 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:00:49 2013.

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How is it different? Hamas is promoting hatred against its neighbor. Texas is promoting stupidity whose major result is students who are less qualified for a lot of careers.

There are degrees of dishonesty.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:02:37 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:57:44 2013.

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They are all self hating Jews. Lets give away half the United States to Mexico.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 09:07:12 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:02:37 2013.

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Sorry, but I'm not taking the bait this time. Reread the archives if you want to see why your argument is flawed.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 4 09:15:42 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:57:44 2013.

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The majority of Jews and Israelis are for any solution that does not require indefensible borders and would provide safety for Israel, be it a one-state or two-state solution

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 09:18:50 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:02:37 2013.

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Lets give away half the United States to Mexico.

Don't you mean to Spain?

The Spanish-speaking people who lived in Texas, New Mexico, and California when those became part of the United States mostly trace their arrival there back to when those were Spanish territories, not Mexico.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 09:19:18 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 08:50:15 2013.

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How does saying obviously ridiculous stuff like that help your cause?

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 09:21:08 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 4 09:15:42 2013.

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The majority of Jews and Israelis realize that in order for the State of Israel to be Jewish and democratic, the Palestinians cannot become a majority of the population. The only way to avoid that happening is to have them be in a different state or to become a true apartheid state, as opposed to merely being an alleged one.

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Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 09:23:33 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 08:59:05 2013.

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Texas is promoting hatred of non-christians by promoting the ideal that the us is Christian Nation

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 09:30:06 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 09:19:18 2013.

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But his cause IS the mass deportation of all non-Jews from the West Bank. It certainly wouldn't help his advocacy if he admitted that most Jews don't support that cause.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 09:35:01 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:02:37 2013.

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as opposed to olog who want to give it to members of the "lost tribes" including himself.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:43:10 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 09:18:50 2013.

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I'm being absurd.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:44:03 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 09:19:18 2013.

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Thank you Andy Kaufman.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:45:07 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 09:21:08 2013.

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Fine, peacefully deport them.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 09:45:08 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 09:35:01 2013.

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As someone with a Jewish father, he'd be entitled to live in Israel under modern Israeli law.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 09:46:15 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:45:07 2013.

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Yawn...

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 09:49:02 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:43:10 2013.

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I know.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 4 09:50:59 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:02:37 2013.

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Lets give away half the United States to Mexico.

Not a bad idea.

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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 4 09:53:11 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:44:03 2013.

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Why don't you answer his question?

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 10:08:39 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 4 09:50:59 2013.

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figures

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 10:09:20 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 4 09:53:11 2013.

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Whose question?

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 12:41:13 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 09:19:18 2013.

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Guess you haven't been paying attention to some of the things he's been about, have you Brinebrain?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 12:42:49 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 03:27:26 2013.

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Very few Jews would want Olog is "selling"

What is "Olog 'selling'", if anything, and what "ilk" is he? And please don't lie, especially if you really don't know.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 12:45:13 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 4 09:43:10 2013.

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If only that were true. There are some so-called Americans that want to do just that, and this is just a small example.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 12:47:48 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 12:42:49 2013.

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Christian Zionism.

Don't be an idiot.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 12:51:24 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 09:35:01 2013.

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Liar.

There's only one that can do that, besides. And no, I don't want to try to force that one to come like all the liberals lie about, because that would make one guilty.

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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 13:02:34 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 4 09:30:06 2013.

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I'm talking about what he said about the person he was responding to.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:03:30 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 12:47:48 2013.

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What's "Christian Zionism"? Is it merely the belief that the Jews were prophesied to return to Eretz Yisrael (what used to be called Restorationism), or is it something you read on wackjob websites (e.g. christianzionism.org, theocracywatch.org) that is not true?

Something that is prophesied to come true (even in the Tanakh) cannot be "sold" by anyone. Try studying the book yourself and stop listening to wackjob liberals that support the real enemy of the State of Israel. Iran's nearly got the bomb, you know.

And no, I am not about so-called "Christian Zionism" for the record, so get that through your head. The return of the Jews to Israel was most definitely a prophetic event, though.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:05:05 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by daND124 on Mon Nov 4 01:28:47 2013.

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This thread isn't about that, Mr. Jew-Hater.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:07:03 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 08:57:44 2013.

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Nobody's disputing that. (Except perhaps in the case of some non-Jewish Israelis.)

The question is whether any "Palestinians" want a two-state solution. The NYT article in the OP clearly shows they want a one-state solution.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:12:52 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 4 09:15:42 2013.

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Correct.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 13:38:34 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:03:30 2013.

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The only whackjob webpage that I read on a regular basis are the ones where your posts (as well as some other people's posts) appear.

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Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 4 13:39:30 2013, in response to Re: Hamas using their own textbooks to brainwash schoolkids, teach false history and hate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 4 13:07:03 2013.

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I've met some who say they do. I think it is extremely safe to say there aren't neraly as many of them as there are Israelis.

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