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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Sep 19 14:46:06 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 19 12:57:44 2013. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Sep 19 14:48:43 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 19 12:57:44 2013. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Sep 19 14:52:39 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 19 12:57:44 2013. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Sep 19 14:53:03 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 19 12:57:44 2013. 
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:42:27 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 18 23:53:43 2013. Selkirk, my friend:"There are high IQ people in all groups. It's just that on average, certain groups score higher as a whole. It's not offensive. It's not racist." -LuchAAA ;) |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 15:45:08 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:42:27 2013. how do genetics explain the difference in test scores between Massachusetts and Rhode Island? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:46:11 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 18 23:59:00 2013. "My point, before I call it a night, is WHY is anyone scoring a "group" in the first place since that whole concept is an artifice to me."Look, even if racial/ethnic groups were completely artificial – which they're not – once you've defined a group, you can infer something about that group. For example, you mean it's impossible to infer anything about say, professional baseball players? Or comparing them against say pro-basketball players? "People are individuals ... they're unique." People are indeed individuals – even unique. That doesn't mean individuals don't share certain traits with other individuals. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:50:54 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by italianstallion on Thu Sep 19 00:02:24 2013. Nope. Individuals from lower scoring groups do worse on "culture-fair" tests, like say the Raven's Progressive Matrices.Even better, "culture-loaded" tests, like the SAT, overpredict the performance of individuals from lower scoring groups. This is precisely the opposite of what you've expect if they if the test was underestimating their true intelligence (in which case it'd underpredict their real-world performance). Even the APA admitted back in 1996 that "cultural bias" wasn't the source of racial achievement gaps. Who doesn't know what he's talking about? ;) |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:58:52 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 19 00:46:24 2013. Not quite....A Tale of Two Maps | JayMan's Blog |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:05:13 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 19 00:01:17 2013. You think so Spider-Pig?The End of Science | West Hunter John Horgan believes that research on race and IQ should be banned, and that having university IRBs veto such research would be a reasonable way of doing so. There are problems with this idea. The Masters of the Future | West Hunter In Guns, Germs, and Steel, Jared Diamond argues that all human groups have equal mental capabilities – except for the inhabitants of New Guinea, who are clearly smarter than the human norm...If this is the case, there’s money to be made. Good performance in a lot of high-paying jobs requires intelligence above some fairly high threshold. Such people are scarce [outside of New Guinea], and that means that their labor is expensive...This wouldn’t last, of course – these guys would not stay peons forever. They’d be generating their own start-ups in a few years, founding hedge funds, dominating the Vegas poker tournaments, etc. I'm just sayin' How's it going BTW? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:06:59 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 19 07:26:43 2013. Not really.I'm pretty smart, but I'm no genius (defined as IQ ≥ 160). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:08:22 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 19 07:35:28 2013. You sure about that? I've addressed this issue:My Political Alignment | JayMan's Blog |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:09:52 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 19 08:24:36 2013. Oh? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:10:36 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 10:35:36 2013. Indeed. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:12:38 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 12:32:12 2013. Indeed. Which kinda sucks when you really think about it... |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:17:15 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 15:45:08 2013. "how do genetics explain the difference in test scores between Massachusetts and Rhode Island?"Presumably you mean the White score? What do you have in Massachusetts that you have fewer of in RI? What peoples settled in RI and make up a higher fraction of the population there than in MA (here's a clue: they are all from Catholic backgrounds). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:21:30 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 00:58:13 2013. Wow, the whole old gang is back...what's going on? |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:25:25 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:17:15 2013. ethnic groups in each state per Wikipedia:Massachusetts:
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no major difference between the states. the four largest groups in each state are Irish Italian English and French/French Canadian. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:26:09 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:25:25 2013. Here you go:Being the Dutch | West Hunter See the problem? |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:30:55 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:26:09 2013. in Massachusetts people tend to take their father's ethnic identity along with his name? how do you explain the difference in test scores? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:38:42 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:30:55 2013. "in Massachusetts people tend to take their father's ethnic identity along with his name?"Do they? Do we know that? The point was that those ethnic comparisons aren't worth very much, sans genetic analysis. "how do you explain the difference in test scores?" MA is home to the "Silicon Valley of the East". What do we have in RI? Think about it... |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:41:50 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:38:42 2013. Do they? Do we know that?yes, that was pattern among the people i grew up around. MA is home to the "Silicon Valley of the East". What do we have in RI? Think about it... and yet the ethnic background of the states is the same. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:47:32 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:41:50 2013. "'Do they? Do we know that?'yes, that was pattern among the people i grew up around." Anecdotes are fun. But at the end of the day, they're just anecdotes. "and yet the ethnic background of the states is the same." OK, you clearly don't understand or are otherwise oblivious to what's being said here. I'm done with this discussion. :) |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:51:30 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:47:32 2013. OK, you clearly don't understand or are otherwise oblivious to what's being said here.are you saying that it's recent migrants that are driving the difference? the gap goes back decades to before the rise of the Tech industry. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:54:52 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:51:30 2013. OK. Two points:1. Stated ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hence comparing the states is useless. RI likely has a higher fraction of lower IQ immigrants (e.g., Southern Italians, Portuguese) because its smaller Yankee population was more easily overwhelmed by the newcomers. 2. MA's higher average IQ is in good part due to "brain gain", as the schools and tech industries have acted as a draw for the best and brightest. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 17:14:41 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:54:52 2013. You mean RISD + Brown don't match up against Smith + Wellesley + Tufts + Harvard + MIT? :( |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 17:28:15 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:21:30 2013. always good..where have you been..? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 17:31:19 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 01:20:47 2013. Damn..this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.. Again..what does COLOR have to do with ARROGANCE? "THEY" means everyone who holds the "superior ID/EGO/SUPEREGO.." |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 18:06:02 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 17:14:41 2013. Nope... |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 18:07:03 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 17:14:41 2013. Brown gets honorable mention though (it is an Ivy):Flags of the American Nations | JayMan's Blog |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 18:07:47 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 17:28:15 2013. Doing my thing on my blog. Very busy these days, so I don't have much opportunity to jump into Subchat. Good to hear you're good! :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 18:12:36 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:42:27 2013. Thanks for attacking me again.I have no problem with this stuff. My father is from Calabria and it's the least intelligent part of Italy according to your map. I'm not offended. Your blog is not racist. You're talking about averages, not individuals. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 18:12:45 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:42:27 2013. Thanks for attacking me again.I have no problem with this stuff. My father is from Calabria and it's the least intelligent part of Italy according to your map. I'm not offended. Your blog is not racist. You're talking about averages, not individuals. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 18:14:37 2013, in response to Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by daNd124 on Wed Sep 18 23:46:28 2013. Italians have always made up a big percentage of NYC but a small percentage of advanced placement schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 18:16:31 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:25:25 2013. there is a major difference between the two states.Italians are 1 in RI and 2 in Massachusetts. That's significant. I knew this because Bruno Sammartino was a big draw in Providence. Fred G mocks Bruno. So what group do you belong to Dan? I figure either Jewish or Irish. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 19 19:22:16 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:46:11 2013. Well ... not to get anything in an uproar here, but I don't compare baseball against basketball players, but you bring up an interesting point. I really think baseball would be a LOT more interesting if they could have a wrestler chase the batter around the diamond and tackle them like a quarterback. That'd make the game more lively. :)But as to comparing. nope ... I'm really not into that. Good to see you around though! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 19 19:25:21 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:42:27 2013. Heh. Like I just said, old buddy ... just gotta be a contrarian every now and then ... you know that's how I roll. :) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 19 21:34:06 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Sep 19 14:53:03 2013. I wonder how much more that stuff costs you where you are than I would pay here if I even bought the stuff. What a joke. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 22:08:25 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 18:12:36 2013. Did I leave off the "IAWTP" post when I quoted you? I was agreeing with your stuff, repeating it because it fit.How are you doing anyways? What's new around here? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 23:17:25 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 22:08:25 2013. I consider any reply an attack :)All is well here. Very quiet. No flame war in the last six months or so. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 23:20:23 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 17:14:41 2013. I knew the IQalian thread would get you all worked up. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 20 02:11:25 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 18:07:47 2013. good to hear..eugenics,as you well know,was a hell spawned plan to kill off the righteous. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 20 05:46:51 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 18 23:53:43 2013. Shut up you dumb Mick! ;) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 20 09:58:11 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 17:28:15 2013. Not reading up on his subject or doing any deep thinking, that's for sure. lol |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 20 10:14:26 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:58:52 2013. A tale of one masochist. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Sep 20 10:21:08 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 20 02:11:25 2013. Well, I'd argue that that's exactly backwards. Eugenics is an idea to breed more of the righteous and fewer rift-raft, the former of which sorely need it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 20 10:25:47 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 16:08:22 2013. Mine 
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Sep 20 10:28:15 2013, in response to Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by daNd124 on Wed Sep 18 23:46:28 2013. For the record, to answer this question:1. "Italian" Americans aren't exactly Italian (intermixing and all) 2. Those Italians remaining in America aren't representative of the Southern Italians back home. As per usual, unless the immigrants are refugees (or Puerto Ricans), the immigrants who come aren't typically from the bottom of the barrel of the country sending them. As well, a significant percentage of Italian immigrants who came to America went back home -- typically the failures. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Sep 20 10:29:30 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 20 10:25:47 2013. Interesting. Sounds about right. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 20 10:31:34 2013, in response to Re: Jayman says Italians are stupid, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 19 16:25:25 2013. pwned |
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