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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 00:51:56 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:39:12 2013. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and figure that you're white. If you weren't, you would probably know that any encounter with cops while black is risky and often unproductive, especially in Florida.As for Martin's actions, we know well enough what he did. He was walking home from the store. A madman with a gun started following him. He tried to escape. The madman continued to pursue him and ultimately overtook him and accosted him. Martin tried to defend himself, and the madman used that as a pretext to shoot him. So what should Martin have done? He couldn't escape. Even if he did call the cops, they wouldn't have gotten there in time. So exactly what was Martin supposed to do? I would explain to you that there's nothing racist about suggesting a white man might enjoy visiting an all-American fast food joint, but you apparently believe that any white man has the right to shoot any black person without precondition so you're probably one of those "I'm not a racist, but..." types who think that "real" racism is forcing white people to accept the existence of nonwhite people. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 00:52:02 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:43:21 2013. I know plenty about guns. Knowing about guns is among the reasons I don't own one. I see no need for one.Drawing a weapon is usually enough to stop people in their tracks. Zimmerman, a self-described police wannabe, should have known this. The idea is not to discharge the weapon, just make the subject believe you will. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:56:57 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 00:50:25 2013. provide a link to the post a quick google search did not reveal any evidence that zimmerman pinned martin other than the dailykos post bingbong linked to. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:57:59 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:56:57 2013. this is the search i intended to post to |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 00:58:22 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:49:14 2013. There are links all over the article, idiot. Liberals use fact to prove their assertions. So in a Kos article, there's always links to facts supporting the assertions. You don't see that at mediaite, Freeper, Brightbart or any of the popular RW sights too often cited.The links go to specific place sin the report so you save time and get the pertinent facts quickly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:00:12 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:56:57 2013. Took me 1.04 seconds to find the autopsy report ...http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/05/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:00:43 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 00:51:56 2013. The madman continued to pursue him and ultimately overtook him and accosted him. Martin tried to defend himself, and the madman used that as a pretext to shoot him.there's no evidence of this. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:01:15 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:00:43 2013. Other than the entire event. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:01:44 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 00:58:22 2013. if the link is so easy to find then post it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:01:47 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:56:57 2013. DNA report which shows that Martin NEVER TOUCHED Zimmerman is here:http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/09/19/case_part_5_Gorgone_FDLE_complete_report_7_26_12_.pdf Hard stuff to find! :-\ |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:02:15 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 00:42:42 2013. It still wouldn't stop one guy with a gun from declaring himself Neighborhood Watchman and making 46 calls to 911 to report "suspicious black men" before deciding that since "these assholes always get away," he would take matters into his own hands and shoot one.His self-appointment is really neither here nor there; he wasn't a member of any organisation or group, so he could have appointed himself Grand Poobah of Eating Crisps for all that it mattered. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:03:19 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 00:57:59 2013. Well THERE'S yer problem ... you searched for "did zimmerman pine marten" ... Google probably thought you were looking for NY Yankees batting history. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:03:24 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:01:44 2013. Why? It's in the article. Plus the clarification and organization in the article is useful so everything gets understood. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:05:55 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:01:47 2013. while the presence of DNA is evidence of physical contact, the lack of DNA is not evidence that there was no physical contact.neither of the link you provided show evidence that zimmerman had pined martin at the time shots were fired. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:07:02 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:00:43 2013. OK then, have it your way. Zimmerman walked into a tree, then shot Martin from behind.We know that Zimmerman (a) initiated contact, (b) escalated the situation, (c) ignored the 911 operator's instruction not to pursue Martin, and (d) shot the unarmed Martin while incurring only minor injuries to himself while (e) Martin was unarmed and attempting to avoid him. What is not in dispute are the following two facts: 1. Zimmerman was the aggressor. 2. Martin made every reasonable effort to escape. So what should Martin have done? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:08:38 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:07:02 2013. Obviously buy a bigger gun ... that seems how they want it to work down there. :( |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:09:43 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:02:15 2013. making 46 calls to 911 to report "suspicious black men"he also made numerous about people who weren't black before deciding that since "these assholes always get away, there's nothing wrong with being upset about burglars getting away. he would take matters into his own hands and shoot one. if his intent was to shot someone he wouldn't have called the police. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:10:13 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:05:55 2013. We'll have to settle for your eyewitness testimony then, it's all we've got. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:10:48 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:03:19 2013. you searched for "did zimmerman pine marten"check again that's not what the link says. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:11:36 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:09:43 2013. Wow ... this is turning into a longer logical fallthrough tree than the source code to Firefox ... OK, if-then-else I suppose "to establish an alibi" ... got proof that wasn't why? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:12:51 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:11:36 2013. And JUST for shits to back that up, remember the testimony of his instructor about his absurd interest in all of the "What if's" of the stand your ground law?ladies and gentlemen of the jury ... how do you find the defendant? Remarkable! :) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:13:49 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:07:02 2013. Your "facts" are very much in dispute. Not that you're wrong and maybe it happened exactly like you say, but unfortunately there's no proof.a) speculation b) speculation c) "we don't need you to do that". Not an order, but it was ignored. d) true e) speculation 1) This is very much in dispute. Have you followed this case?!? Zimmerman's defense was that he lost track of Trayvon and was headed back to his car when Trayvon confronted him! 2) Like what? We know that he refused to run based on testimony from the prosecution witness that was on the cell phone with him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:16:27 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:10:48 2013. Your honor, I'd like to introduce exhibit 72645 into evidence ... a screenshot of the plaintiff's actual link on subchat ...please note the blue arrow pointing directly to what google interpreted the query as ... 
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:17:03 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:05:55 2013. The only way that there would be no DNA was if one of the two was wearing gloves, which neither were. Zimmerman at the time had a shaved head, so it would have been near impossible to pound his head 25 times (as claimed by Zimmerman) into concrete without getting DNA under one's fingernails. There wasn't enough hair to grab onto.As to who pinned who, it was clear that changed during the altercation, and is further clarified in the article. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:19:03 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:07:02 2013. you searched for "did zimmerman pine marten"no evidence of this (b) escalated the situation no evidence of this (c) ignored the 911 operator's instruction not to pursue Martin no evidence of this and (d) shot the unarmed Martin while incurring only minor injuries to himself while this is true but is isn't relevant the whether Zimmerman was justified in his use of force or not (e) Martin was unarmed and attempting to avoid him he ran from him earlier but there's no evidence that he didn't start the fight 1. Zimmerman was the aggressor. no evidence of this 2. Martin made every reasonable effort to escape. no evidence of this So what should Martin have done? call 911 if he was afraid that's his problem. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:20:19 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:10:13 2013. and the eyewitness said that martin had pined Zimmerman, the forensic was consistent with that as well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:20:20 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:17:03 2013. Aw Tweet Jebus ... PLEASE don't bring GLOVES into this - it's already twisty and a-turny enough up here. :(
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:21:22 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:20:19 2013. The eyewitness had to be COACHED on what color the guy on top was wearing. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:21:39 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:13:49 2013. c) "we don't need you to do that". Not an order, but it was ignored.there is in fact no evidence that it was ignored Zimmerman was already out of the car when the dispatcher said that. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:22:30 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:16:27 2013. do you not see the words "did you mean"? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:22:43 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:21:39 2013. Wasn't it a truck? I mean ... given the grilling on all this, we need to keep what little facts we have straight, right? |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:23:57 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:21:22 2013. he was coached? he was a prosecution witness. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:24:18 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:19:03 2013. Right, there's "no evidence" of all the things that were proven in court, yet you know, with absolute certainty, that Martin was a burglar.Since you're clearly a white supremacist, there's no point in trying to argue this. Good night. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:24:30 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:22:43 2013. i think it was an SUV |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 17 01:24:32 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 16 16:29:39 2013. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Do you know how many artists take part in boycotts because they are faced with death threats if they don't participate? That should make you feel good. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:26:09 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:24:18 2013. Right, there's "no evidence" of all the things that were proven in court, yet you know, with absolute certainty, that Martin was a burglar.where did i say martin was a burglar? Since you're clearly a white supremacist, there's no point in trying to argue this. Good night. lol, set me guess you posted in this thread to make bingbong look sane. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:26:44 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:13:49 2013. 1) Not established proven fact. That was Zimmerman's claim but there is NOTHING to support it. For all we know Mr Martin could have walked by the truck and Zimmerman accosted him. There were no witnesses at that point.2) He was running at the time. He also didn't want Zimmerman to find out where he lived. Let's dismiss the rapist idea and think a little more logically about this......Surely he heard about the burglaries in the neighborhood, and probably thought his Dad's fiancee's home would be the next target, and that Zimmerman was the burglar. After all he wasn't living there full time so he wouldn't know that Zimmerman lived there too. The guy was just some stranger following him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:28:43 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:22:30 2013. Do you KNOW how google really works? That suggestion tilts the mechanism. It's not "ask jeeves" ... it responds VERY poorly to anything asked in the form of a question and it takes each word separately without reference to any other words in a query unless those words are wrapped in ""'s and to make it even MORE useless, you have to specifically specify words you do NOT want to appear in the results with a - in front of each word or group of words enclosed in quotes.Google is absolutely useless unless you think like a droid. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:29:28 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:24:30 2013. Cops consider those to be a truck. Gross weight and all that. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:30:16 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:17:03 2013. So in addition to being an expert in law, medicine and gun safety, you’re also an expert in forensics. You are truly amazing |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:31:42 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:26:09 2013. where did i say martin was a burglar?Step 1: Click the link below the subject line to return to your post. Step 2: Click the link below the subject line to return to my previous post. Step 3: Click the hyperlink in the body of the post to find where you made that claim. Step 4: Hooray! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:32:15 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:23:57 2013. Yeah, how about that? Yep ... look it up. And don't forget to choose your words carefully ...Better yet ... here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zimmerman+witness+coached+%22red+on+top%22 |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:32:59 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:31:42 2013. i didn't say that martin was burglar i said that fucking punks was a reference to burglars. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:34:13 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:26:44 2013. 1) I agree, but he doesn't have to prove that he's innocent. It works the other way around.2) I think that the girl told him to run, but he never did. I could be wrong, but that's what I recall and I don't remember anything different in the parts of the trial that I saw. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:34:37 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:32:59 2013. And I didn't say you were a racist; what I said was a "reference to" racism. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:35:20 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:30:16 2013. Read that from the autopsy report. See what a you can learn when you read the links you post? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:35:22 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:34:13 2013. Umm... actually, self-defense is an affirmative defense, so you do have to prove it. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 17 01:35:35 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by daNd124 on Wed Jul 17 01:21:39 2013. Yeah, it was ignored because Zimmerman's next response to the operator indicated to me that he intended to ignore it. He was still following him. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:36:16 2013, in response to Re: Why Are We Boycotting Florida, again?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 17 01:35:20 2013. It's pretty clear he doesn't understand what hyperlinks are. That or he figures being deliberately obtuse is better than being explicitly racist. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 17 01:36:24 2013, in response to Re: Because of the risk of being shot., posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 17 01:35:22 2013. NOT in Florida. :( |
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