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Posted by FWT9000 on Mon Dec 10 23:24:48 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. they have it coming |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:09:55 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. In at least seven U.S. states, constitutional provisions are in place that bar atheists from public office and one state, Arkansas, has a law that bars an atheist from testifying as a witness at a trial, the report said.These are all unenforceable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by FWT9000 on Mon Dec 10 23:24:48 2012. LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 00:14:17 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. LOL Reuters. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 00:14:46 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by FWT9000 on Mon Dec 10 23:24:48 2012. Except of course in communist (and burgeoning socialist) countries, where they're protected. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:15:38 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 00:14:46 2012. The one good thing about those countries. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Dec 11 05:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by FWT9000 on Mon Dec 10 23:24:48 2012. You're a freak. |
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Posted by FWT9000 on Tue Dec 11 06:50:11 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Dec 11 05:29:23 2012. I resemble that remark :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 10:38:48 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. That's absolutely right and needs to be addressed. even here in the US, freedom FROM religion is just as much a part of the 1st Amendment as freedom of religion.That Arkansas law has to be struck down for one. Same for the laws barring non-religious from public office. That also is unconstitutional. State governments are supposed to hew to the Federal Constitution WRT rights it conveys to all citizens. Or else, let's ban guns in NY, k? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 10:40:48 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:15:38 2012. Correct. If there's going to be freedom of religion, there MUST be freedom FROM religion. Or else,let's ban guns in NY,k? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 12:45:34 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:09:55 2012. They have no place on the books. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 14:17:26 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. News Flash: Almost anyone who is not part of the dominant or official religion suffer persecution, discrimination all over the world.Especially people like atheists and Jevohah's witnesses who tend to advertise their beliefs. And their are some countries where Christians aren't very well tolerated. According to its survey of some 60 countries, the seven where expression of atheist views or defection from the official religion can bring capital punishment are Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. Those seven countries have something in common. What could it be? What could it be? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Dec 11 14:47:13 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 14:17:26 2012. Those seven countries have something in common. What could it be? What could it be?They love their people so much, they have to put 'em out of their misery. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 11 14:58:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 14:17:26 2012. Especially people like atheists and Jevohah's witnesses who tend to advertise their beliefs.Huh? Atheists tend to advertise their beliefs? On the streets of NYC every day, I see numerous people who are announcing by their attire that they are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, or Muslims. I don't remember the last time I saw someone announcing that they were an atheist. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 14:59:30 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 10:38:48 2012. All of those laws are not enforced. Alabama still has segregation on the books. Doesn't mean it's still used. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:01:05 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 12:45:34 2012. Agreed, but it's not as big a problem as it would have been had they been enforced. It's people's attitudes that's the problem and spiffying up legal codes isn't going to solve that problem. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 15:04:58 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 11 14:58:55 2012. 1. You're talking about New York City, where there is little novelty to diverse people.2. By "advertise their beliefs" I mean to say that some atheists, like some proselytizing other religionists, what to win others over to their beliefs. This is not well tolerated in a lot of places. What I'm saying is that persecution of atheists is not novel among the world's dislikes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 14:17:26 2012. On the contrary, atheists tend to announce their beliefs far less than anyone else. Atheism comes with no rituals, religious artifacts and practices. There are no atheist churches to attend on nonexistent atheist holidays. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 11 15:08:43 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 15:04:58 2012. By "advertise their beliefs" I mean to say that some atheists, like some proselytizing other religionists, what to win others over to their beliefs. This is not well tolerated in a lot of places.Tiny minority. The phrase "tend to" is a gross exaggeration. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:08:51 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 11 15:04:58 2012. 2. This is hardly anyone. Theists have a much higher percentage of their followers who try to convert people, since many religions make it a mitzvah* to convert people.*Sorry, I can't think of a generic replacement for this word. I know that it's not a mitzvah for people who use the word mitzvah. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 15:13:27 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 11 15:08:43 2012. It is not in the nature of atheists to "proselytize". That motive belongs expressly to religionists. When questioned,they will present a reasoned argument, but that do not by nature seek to impose upon anyone. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 11 15:15:33 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:08:51 2012. IAWTP. My wife has one acquaintance who sometimes advocates for atheism. I personally can't remember ever coming across someone who advocated for atheism. However, I have come across thousands of people that have advocated for some particular form of fundamentalist Christianity, and maybe dozens who have advocated for their form of Judaism (and I don't mean Jews for Jesus). |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 15:16:32 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012.  Get the point? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Dec 11 18:17:58 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. "showed that "unbelievers" in Islamic countries face the most severe - sometimes brutal - treatment at the hands of the state and adherents of the official religion."Thank Goodness for Kansas! |
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Posted by the Silence on Tue Dec 11 18:50:17 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012. hum, what about that billboard near the holand tunnel... |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 18:58:00 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 00:15:38 2012. How would Martin Luther King fare in those places?Would his face make a paper denomination? |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 18:58:39 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012. Is Martin Luther King day a athiest holiday?Just sayin... |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Dec 11 19:15:33 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 18:58:39 2012. Are you talking about the Baptist Minister, The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.Fuck, you're as stupid as the hamburger I cooked tonight for dinner. |
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Posted by the Silence on Tue Dec 11 19:16:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012. how about the ritual of being annoying prudes to anyone who doesn't agree with you, looking down on them for being "ignorant". What you do with your life is your own choice, no one should have the right to judge you for that. Not being mocked for what you bealive in is a two way street. If they want acceptance, they need to understand they have to live in a world where there are people who will never agree with them and that such people will always exist. Which is also something a lot of people here need to understand about life in general. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. If atheists want to be treated better, they need to cease being such douchebags, at least the kind that get offended whenever someone puts a Nativity out, or a cross, or anything else remotely religious on government property. They also need to accept that they have their own fundamentalist movement which tolerates absolutely no dissenting viewpoint. Atheism is also a religious belief. Any definitive definitions of God, be it form or of mere existence is a matter of faith. The only truly irreligious position is agnosticism. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Dec 11 20:04:14 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. You Nazis and your false gods give the True G-d a bad name. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 20:49:11 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Dec 11 19:15:33 2012. Yes, SpiderPig LOVES him.Yet SpiderPig hates religon! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 20:50:30 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. Atheism is not a religion. Where did you get the idea that a school of thought that does not enforce, dictate or impose a moral code is defined as religion? Beliefs and faith, where applicable, have nothing to do with dogma. It is dogma that defines religion. In other words:Wrong.  And no, religious displays have no place on public property. That's what private property, like your church's lawn, is for. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 11 21:48:13 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. Great job blaming the death of atheists in fundamentalist countries on.....atheists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 21:51:15 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. If atheists want to be treated better, they need to cease being such douchebagsGood luck with that. Hard to change history. The more they do this, the less they can be dissociated from the communists, their prior vehicle. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 11 21:51:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 15:06:10 2012. On the contrary, atheists tend to announce their beliefs far less than anyone else.Exactly. I know quite a few atheists and agnostics who don't even tell their families and don't even think of advertising it in their workplaces. Most atheists are closeted. Especially the ones from a religious background. in America, gays are more tolerated than atheists. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 11 22:10:47 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 20:49:11 2012. I love MLK too and I am not Baptist.I also love Gandhi and am not Hindu. I love Thomas Jefferson and James Madison though I'm not an agnostic. I love Golda Meir and Yitzakh Rabin, though I'm not Jewish. People love Mother Teresa without being Catholic. My favorite Italian politician in my lifetime was the late President Sandro Pertini, hero of the Resistance. I highly admired him even though I'm not an atheist. Clement Atlee, Albert Einstein, Michelle Bachelet and India's founding PM Nehru were also atheists. I think Mandela is too. I admire them all. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 11 22:12:22 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by the Silence on Tue Dec 11 19:16:50 2012. how about the ritual of being annoying prudes to anyone who doesn't agree with you, looking down on them for being "ignorant".You must be talking about the Cult of The Ron Paul whose goddess is Ayn Rand. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:02:10 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 11 22:10:47 2012. Excellent post Mr. Shit-for-brains doesn't get things like this. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:03:09 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by the Silence on Tue Dec 11 18:50:17 2012. LOL. Come back to me when those are even close to being nearly as numerous as religious advertisements. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:04:48 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by the Silence on Tue Dec 11 19:16:50 2012. Except that many religious people seem to believe that you are worthless unless you worship at the same altar that they do. I only defend my religious beliefs when someone else brings them up. If you really believe in "live and let live," then you would never broach the topic and you would never hear another atheist talk about their beliefs ever again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:06:00 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by mr mabstoa on Tue Dec 11 18:58:00 2012. What is it with your obsession with me and Martin Luther King? I know it's hard for an idiot like you, but come up with some new material. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 12 02:09:05 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. I wonder if atheists are offended when they sneeze and someone says, "God bless you"? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:12:26 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. Agnostic is an adjective, not a noun. One can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. You're confusing gnostic atheism with atheism in general.And I oppose nativity scenes and crosses on public property as an American sworn to defend the Constitution, not as someone offended by such displays in general. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:13:09 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists/Satanists Suffer No Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 21:51:15 2012. Didn't realize you were an atheist. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:15:10 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 12 02:09:05 2012. I wonder if atheists are offended when they sneeze and someone says, "God bless you"?only an asshole would since anybody who says "God bless you" after a sneeze says so out of habit and not religious belief. It's like when people say "JESUS CHRIST!!" in certain moments. They don't even realize they're saying it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:16:35 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:15:10 2012. I say God bless you, Jesus Christ and oh my god. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 02:17:08 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:16:35 2012. We say "Gesundheit" here in order to pray to Olog. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:19:01 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:16:35 2012. I say God bless you, Jesus Christ and oh my god.Exactly. Those common expressions lack any religious context which makes them acceptable to anybody that's not a real douchebag. |
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