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Re: New Blog Post: This one is for SMAZ, LuchAAA, and italianstallion...

Posted by JayMan on Wed Jan 25 13:40:23 2012, in response to Re: New Blog Post: This one is for SMAZ, LuchAAA, and italianstallion..., posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 25 01:23:36 2012.

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I figure this would get you going, and you have not disappointed. :D

Once again, you continue to ignore brain drain.

It is THIS the underlying cause that you should be focusing on rather than discredited genetic factors.


I don't ignore brain drain, and almost certainly it has exacerbated the underlying divide, as you've stated. However, it couldn't be primarily responsible for the divide or even a significant part of it because there is little genetic overlap between Northern, Central, and Southern Italians. IOW, all three groups are distinct populations. As such, the differences between them are largely pre-existing ones.

This liberal vs conservative abyss in IQ and regional economic development can be found in just about any advanced country in the world.

Indeed, but one has to consider the source. Here you are acknowledging a relationship between conservativism and lower average IQ. I would argue that they are genetically co-mingled, and that Western liberalism is due to the unique evolutionary path that NW Europeans have gone down. This will be the topic of a future blog post of mine, but indeed, various measures show that NW Europeans top the charts in engagement in social welfare and community projects, far ahead of Italians (and I'm wagering that this is also split between the north and the south). Southern Italians have a different mindset thanks to their own evolutionary history.

Because as i just said, a great number of Southerners move there while only a minuscule percentage of northerners do the opposite thus concentrating regional surnames in the southern academic institutions.

But, doesn't that then go back to the inbreeding thing?

As far as "Italian incompetence" in the Costa incident, I think that a citizen of the nation that produced the Exxon Valdez disaster and the botched response to the aftermath of the levee failures in New Orleans after Katrina shouldn't be casting any stones in his own glass house.

Well, America has its own ethnic divides that break down trust and cooperation, something I'm going to delve into when I take a look at Appalachia and the American South.

Schettino getting his job because of nepotism in Napoli? That would almost be credible if not for the fact that Costa is based in Genova.
Do your homework man. I'm sure your teacher reminded you of that.


Even though Costa is based in Genoa, this doesn't mean that the man who gave Schettino his job wasn't somebody from the South who was doing his bro a favor...

and of course your Godfather, Sopranos and Goodfellas citation.
There is nothing better suited to understand Italian culture than watching movies and TV series produced and directed by Americans.


The directors of The Godfather and of Goodfellas were both Italian Americans. I could have threw in Get Shorty for good measure. Are you saying that these aren't honest depictions of Southern Italian mobster culture?

Besides, like I said, there's a reason we keep getting movies about Italians and not about the Dutch or the Polish.

The topper is that your article completely fails to mention that people in Italy have the highest IQ on Earth outside of a handful of East Asian countries and live long and healthy lives.
Sounds like pretty good genetic stock to me.


It fails to mention it because they don't. The Romans do, as do Italians points north of there (such as in Friuli).

The longevity thing is a good point for investigation, though. It is well known that there a correlation between IQ and longevity, but it'll be interesting to see how that plays out on the European continent.

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