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Re: IQ and Sex

Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 14 00:07:45 2011, in response to Re: IQ and Sex, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 13 19:55:33 2011.

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The Middle East was quite advanced well after Islam came along. Some of the great human achievements of the medieval period were by Muslim scholars.

It seems to me though that most of these achievements were an extension of Persian culture. The golden age of the Caliphate was during that time that it was based in Baghdad and heavily influenced by Persia. Iran is probably the most intelligent of the countries in that part of the world, despite its current government.
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Not the modern country. The average IQ of Iran is only 84, very close to the average for N. Africans/S. Asians as a whole, and about the same of American blacks.

Civilization began in Mesopotamia, adjacent to Persia, not in more primitive Arabia where Islam began. Iraq is probably screwed up now thanks to centuries of being a pawn of empires.

It did. And as you point out, the Middle East continued to contribute to civilization well into the days of the Caliphate (not so sure after the Turks arrived)—while (Western) Europe languished in the Dark Ages. I suspect that the average IQ of the ancient Middle Easterners may have been much higher than today's peoples, owing to their considerable contributions to human civilization (not the least of which inventing it to begin with). The Arabs, never really being civilized before Muhammad, probably didn't evolve in response to civilization like their Mesopotamian or Persian counterparts. It is possible that as the Arabs settled these areas they depressed the IQ's of the people.

Of course, it is also possible that the reason that Middle Eastern contributions fell off is because they simply hit their limit. Look at India, the average IQ there is about the same, but we all know a lot of smart Indians (and Middle Easterners for that matter). Even with an average IQ of 84, that still leaves a significant segment of the population with much higher IQ's. The intellectual demands of ancient life was probably much less than today's allowing a less intelligent people (vs Europeans) to accomplish much.

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