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Posted by soton si on Mon Aug 27 08:49:18 2007, in response to Re: nonsense about atheism, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Aug 26 19:16:49 2007. ""the media and the culture not mentioning God. They don't see it as an important issue - the national religion is "we don't care".Actually, your national religion is the Church of England, and it is alive and well and on public display every day." the CofE is dead - it died years ago (see my next post for details as to why). parts of it are alive, but most of it is dying a death. Probably only about 10% of CofE churches hold to the 39 articles that form it's beliefs, and about 50% of them still just go through the motions, rather than engaging with their beliefs. Funnily enough the ones that believe and live out those 39 articles are the places where the church is still strong and growing, however the Church and State try their best to silence them and ignore them. CofE is the offical religion, but definitely not the de facto one, which is "we don't care". "What ban? There's no ban on religion. There's a ban on using public money to proselytize a particular religion in public school because people not sharing that religion paid for the school too. Thus, the school is neutral ground where any person can feel safe." Yet that ban on looking at religion, examining the evidence for and against is causing the proselytizing of people to a religion, namely that of atheism, as shown in my previous post. "You as individual can believe anything you like." You just can't openly act on those beliefs if you are a public servant, like a judge or a teacher. Hardly freedom, is it? "False statement. The effect is to stigmatize people who do not participate and make them second class citizens." Allowing is different to making mandatory. Anyway, surely the ban on studying God and religion in schools is to treat people who feel that that is the most important thing as second class citizens - it's saying "you are wrong, God's not important" constantly to them. They know otherwise, but they are still treated as if their views don't matter. The effect of the ban is that people who want to participate are treated as if their views are wrong, and that they are second class citizens. It's, as I have said, a catch-22 situation. Ad when you prove that there is one, we'll study it (it's not a provable or disprovable thing). As of now, it's purely a conjectural thing. If you choose to believe there is one, by all means believe in it. Public schools do not teach that there is or isn't one - you're free to believe as you like." However, public schools, by their sidestepping of the whole issue accidentally imply that there isn't. As for proof, look up the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ - the evidence is fairly conclusive that he did - definitely beyond reasonable doubt. Also it is possible to prove there is a God, however it isn't possible to prove there isn't one, in the same way that it's possible to prove that there is live on other planets, but it's impossible to disprove that. We've had contact - God's sent us the proof: Jesus - it's up to you whether to dogmatically ignore the evidence as it doesn't fit in with your misconceptions or not. "If you want the schools to teach that there is one, you're free to enroll in a private religious school." Though the only private religious schools in my country are for religions I don't belive are in anyway true, so I won't. The state run ones are worse - they try so hard not to offend anyone by being church schools that they end up teaching that Christianity is wrong and ever other view is right, in order to try not to offend. The non-church state schools are funnily enough the best place to get a religious education, and that's only because it's properly neutral. It teaches religion, but is neutral as to which one is right. That's how it should be in the state system (other than it really ought to examine truth claims a bit better, rather than skipping over evidence in some cases, for instance, when teaching about Islam - it's taught that due to one bit in the Qu'ran, Neil Armstrong became a Muslim when he saw a rift valley on the moon. This story has been completely debunked by Neil himself.) |
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