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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:00:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:29:59 2014. You think Israelis (and everyone else for that matter) should abandon their religion.It would be nice, yes. I pointed out to you that "secular" Israelis are not all that secular by your standards. You made a claim that didn't mean much without context, which is why I asked for it. You're right that you can't determine someone's religiosity from their celebrations, but you might be surprised at how religious "secular" Israelis in fact are, and how they feel that the religion, even if they don't practice it as strictly as others, is what ties them to the country. The question is how much they practice it. Also, don't start playing the religion/ethnicity shell game again— "Judaism" is the name of a religion and it is the name of an ethnicity/culture/ancestry, but claiming that Judaism (religion) is important to someone because they feel that Judaism (ethnicity) binds them to their country is still an equivocation fallacy. Maybe I should start requiring you to specify "Judaism (r)" and "Judaism (e)" to prevent them from getting mixed up. Now try telling those people that they should be less religious and see how they respond to you. Doesn't work that way. Religion behaves like a virus, and its primary vector is childhood brainwashing— kids are naturally inclined to believe what they're told by parents and everyone is naturally inclined to view how their parents and relatives did things when they were kids as simply "the way things are done." You don't tell adults to abandon religion unless they've already abandoned it in all but name— you teach kids about reason and evidence, critical thinking, and the scientific method, giving them the tools they need to see through religion on their own; a vaccine for the virus. My guess is they will be very angry... Well, yes. Religion still exists because it's very good at short-circuiting people's ability to reason— once it gets into somebody's head, it makes them wrap their identity around it and starts permeating every aspect of their life. Your purpose, your goals, even your basic sense of morality become attributed to the religion. Telling someone the thing (they perceive is) the essence of who they are is based on a lie will provoke immediate irrational rejection no matter how much evidence you present or how well-reasoned your point. ... as they should be. OK, you'll need to explain this. I know the biological, psychological, and sociological reasons why they become angry, but if you're claiming their anger is actually rational then you've got quite a bit of explaining to do. |
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