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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:13:11 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014. I'm not supporting theocracy in either the US or Israel, so I'm not sure why you think that I am.I don't think that you are per se; I'm noting that it's one possible interpretation for your statements before moving on to more likely ones. It isn't inherently disrespectful for you to think my religion is wrong, it is disrespectful for you to express it in the way that you do. 1. In what way did I express my position "disrespectfully?" 2. On what basis do you call it disrespectful? 3. And what do you think I should have said? While you claim I'm disrespectful of your beliefs... I never claimed that. Meanwhile, you fail to see/understand why pointing out that you're going to contemplate having a bacon cheeseburger on matza on Erev Pesach is insulting and demeaning to those who keep the holiday. It isn't. Unless you assume that it's inherently offensive for me to not keep kosher, or to announce that I'm not keeping kosher, or to celebrate holidays in a manner you deem "incorrect" or if you consider keeping Passover to be shameful and feel demeaned that I call attention to the fact that you're doing it. Despite my repeated requests, neither you nor anybody else has managed to offer an explanation as to why my cheeseburger was supposedly "offensive" that didn't rely on an absurd enthymeme. You can think about doing that all you want without telling the world that's what you're going to do, because it is insensitive. And there we are. It's "insensitive" for me to express my beliefs that what you're doing is silly. Sorry, you're not getting a free pass on criticism. Nobody does. Israel shares borders with other countries besides Egypt and Jordan. Take a look at a map sometime. This would seem to be a further extension of your commonly applied fallacy that mentioning one thing inherently constitutes denial of another unrelated thing. If you think there isn't any unkosher meat or that no places are open for getting a drink or two (or many) on a Friday in Israel, I have news for you: you're wrong. You're just showing your prejudices against Israel by saying that over and over again. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think that. Best I can think of is a post where I mentioned a hypothetical example of Israel losing its Jewish character to encroaching Christians that you might have taken literally. I've said I object to aspects of Israeli policy vis a vis the Palestinians over the years here. Then why are you throwing such a screaming fit when I do it? I'm waiting for you to acknowledge the role that bodies other than Israel play in contributing to the Palestinians' current plight and that those bodies, arguably, are far better equipped to help the Palestinians than Israel is. Oh you have got to be kidding me. Either explain why you support Kim Jong Un or knock it off with the absurd assumption that criticising Israel's role in the Palestine fiasco somehow implies endorsement or denial of everyone else's. You have also yet to tell me why the blockade is not needed. Because there are better options available. Exactly which ones depends on whether or not Palestine is a country, which you seem unable to take a consistent position on. So let's start— Is Palestine a country? Note that if it has autonomy over its internal affairs and at least some autonomy with regard to foreign policy and a government generally recognised as being in charge of its affairs that is not installed by a foreign power, then the answer is "yes." As long as the Palestinian leadership maintains its current positions WRT Israel and the people don't get rid of said leadership, the thoughts of those people are less significant. "The Palestinian leadership" is a surprisingly flexible category and when a foreign government is at war with you, it is customary to remove them whether its people were planning to or not. While there are certainly Palestinians who would like to coexist with Israel (I've met them)... And they should be confined to blockaded Palestine? Palestine is not a country, but Hamas is the governing power within the Gaza Strip, which is a disputed territory as I've explained to you previously. If they're the governing power of a chunk of land with autonomy over its internal affairs and foreign policy, how is it not a country? Israel is trying to eliminate Hamas with minimal civilian impacts. Bullshit. You have yet to acknowledge that Hamas uses human shields, making it difficult for Israel to fight against Hamas without the occasional, inadvertent killing of innocent civilians who would not be at such a high risk if it weren't for Hamas's illegal tactics. You have yet to acknowledge that Israel uses missiles which are not known for their precise targeting or killing capabilities. Israel and Hamas are most certainly at war, even if Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. If it's a war, then why did Israel withdraw from the Gaza Strip? I'm assuming the thesis you referred to is yours. Yeah, you do that a lot. Sorry, not my thesis. Just that of someone I know (who talked my ear off about Israel/Palestine relations). |
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