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Posted by busway flyer on Wed May 7 13:39:22 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by busway flyer on Wed May 7 13:38:19 2008. My reply should have read as follows:Is there a link to the source of this information? Please post if so. Charlie - BFTA |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 14:01:30 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by busway flyer on Wed May 7 13:39:22 2008. Yes. http://www.mta.info press releases. May 7,2008 Press Release MTA To Streamline Bus Operations |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:22:08 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 14:01:30 2008. Link"New York City Transit Bus, MTA Bus and Long Island Bus will each maintain its individual identity and funding, while a managerial restructuring will increase accountability and ensure consistency in serving the entire MTA region." i.e.: Don't look for the orange stripe to disappear or the fleet numbers to change anytime soon. Also, the press release doesn't mantion June 1 anywhere. It says "[NYCTA Senior Vice President for Buses Joseph] Smith assumes the new titles immediately and expects to fully implement the new management structure within 60 to 90 days." The LI Bus home page alludes to service changes coming June 22. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed May 7 14:22:26 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?en=080507-HQ15from the info gathered by reading the above article, it seems more like a Management takeover than a merger. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 7 14:22:39 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 14:01:30 2008. The REAL link is:Right Here ! |
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Posted by R30A on Wed May 7 14:26:53 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:22:08 2008. I hope that is only true for LIBus. MTAB and NYCB should never have had a separate image to begin with. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed May 7 14:34:10 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. Isn't there a bunch of labor stuff needed to be done? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 7 14:35:26 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by lbt 9415 on Wed May 7 14:22:26 2008. i agree |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 14:44:41 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by R30A on Wed May 7 14:26:53 2008. Exactly, as the separate MTAB/NYCB identities cause unnecessary confusion.LIB (and Bee-Line should it be absorbed into the MTA) should be kept as separate identities, as they provides service to a specific area not served by other bus agencies. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 14:45:25 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 14:01:30 2008. If it's just a management takeover, then this is hopefully good news for LIB. |
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Posted by FutureKBarticOP on Wed May 7 14:47:10 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. So what happens to one like myself who took TA bus operator exam no. 5025. List # 188...I just finished patching up a complication that held me back from being hired. Do I keep my civil service status? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:52:41 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by lbt 9415 on Wed May 7 14:22:26 2008. from the info gathered by reading the above article, it seems more like a Management takeover than a merger.That's what a merger is. K-Mart and Sears merged, but both kept their identities. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Wed May 7 15:24:27 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed May 7 14:34:10 2008. Isn't there a bunch of labor stuff needed to be done?Yes. Funding is also a major issue as well. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed May 7 15:54:50 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:52:41 2008. My interpretation of a merger is something like AmericaWest and USAirways or perhaps Delta & Northwest ( pending approval ).That's what a merger is. K-Mart and Sears merged, but both kept their identities |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 7 17:23:46 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by lbt 9415 on Wed May 7 14:22:26 2008. I agree. A true merger comes across with the "cooperation" from all the unions representing the workers at NYCT bus, MTA Bus and LI Bus. Anybody hear of "Regional Bus?". It has been on MTA's drawing board for many years. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 7 17:24:54 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by railbus63 on Wed May 7 15:24:27 2008. Yeah, Nassau County needs to come up with some more dough! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 7 17:25:58 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by FutureKBarticOP on Wed May 7 14:47:10 2008. For now I would think you are not affected since this is a management restructuring. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed May 7 18:18:17 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 7 14:22:39 2008. So, I guess this is the end of L I Bus? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 18:19:48 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed May 7 18:18:17 2008. No. Read the article. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed May 7 18:29:15 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed May 7 18:18:17 2008. Ok Let me re-phrase that, Is this the beginning of Regional Bus? I did read the article thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 7 18:35:12 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed May 7 18:29:15 2008. Not according to the article. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 19:03:18 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 7 18:35:12 2008. Yes, it is. All three are now headed by one guy. So, you may as well start calling everything MTA Bus. Paint is paint and paychecks are paychecks, but his duties begin immediately.The next step will be to interchange equipment on a regular basis. If necessary, equipment will be brought to MTA bus to fix as the city must pay for that. Then, the equipment can be sent back to LI Bus (read: transferring costs from Nassau County to NYC as NYC just paid to fix it). Expect all buses to lose the orange stripe in LI. Routes will continue to be separate, but NYC Transit will now plan for everyone and run things like scheduling and bus rotations. This explains why the 8XXXs are being run until they are close to breaking in half. There isn't enough money for normal replacement now and there isn't enough money to even pull down federal funds for the match. Isn't NJT having the same problem? I would expect all LIB units to be renumbered and some of CP's Orion Vs to migrate east along with JG's Orion Vs. The new buses will be debugged in NYC before anything heads east. Eventually, Nassau will cut all subsidy for LIB. If Suffolk puts more in to their budget at $16 million than Nassau does and Nassau has twice as many buses, what makes anyone think that Nassau can't just walk away? They will. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 7 19:05:43 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 19:03:18 2008. No, the press release clearly states:"New York City Transit Bus, MTA Bus and Long Island Bus will each maintain its individual identity and funding" So it says the buses you see will still be either NYCT Bus, MTA Bus, or LI Bus. It doesn't say anything about seeing "MTA Regional Bus". |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 19:18:40 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 7 19:05:43 2008. They are lying. All of the S89s were supposed to be operated to federal standards and inspected by USDOT. When the "lights went off", so did the blue inspection diamonds. You can ask SIR to confirm that not all the S89s carry inspection stickers anymore.You have to remember who you are dealing with. "Maintaining an identity" simply means that the buses will keep their names for now and the checks will still list LIB, NYCTA, and MTA Bus as the issuers. However, they are now one agency with three separate workforces. There is no savings in running three separate agencies. This is all about savings. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 7 20:02:33 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. Outgoing LI Bus President Neil Yellin has accepted a position with LIRR.Oh no.......now he's gonna screw up the LIRR! Hopefully his new position is coach cleaner. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 7 20:14:12 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. Well, at least LI buses already have bleached backs to begin with. Just place a blue stripe over the orange and blue stripe.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by metropod on Wed May 7 21:07:12 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 7 17:23:46 2008. So has the combined LIRR/MNRR, but that has gone nowhere fast. |
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Posted by Midnight Rider on Wed May 7 22:08:07 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. IN LOVING MEMORYNew York City Bus Long Island Bus |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 7 23:03:29 2008, in response to It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by 67th Avenue on Wed May 7 13:31:38 2008. Let's get this point across first: It's a MANAGEMENT takeover. From the looks of the link that was given, LIB will remain as their current identity at least for now.Currently, there are 3 entities under 1 MTA umbrella: NYCT, MTAB and LIB. PERHAPS someday down the road whenever REGIONAL BUS OFFICIALLY takes effect, THEN and ONLY THEN you will see everything all under 1 identity: more or less MTAB. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 23:33:42 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 7 23:03:29 2008. This is Regional Bus (or Consolidated Bus). Welcome to the new era. One guy is now running all three agencies. This means there are no longer three agencies. A consolidation of management means it is one entity. All will now be run like NYCT without restrictions = MTA Bus.This is how heavy duty things are done. The legislature wants the savings of Regional Bus, but they still want a say over what happens. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu May 8 00:02:38 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 23:33:42 2008. A few questions:1. Why did they want everything to be this way? 2. Where is all of the money to do this nonsense come from? 3. How were they able to pick this Joe Smith of all people to do everything? 4. How did he get this job...ie crudentials? This takeover will also mean that it will get even tougher to get a job with them. If it isn't tough enough to get 1 already. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 8 00:37:25 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu May 8 00:02:38 2008. >>1. Why did they want everything to be this way?<<A) It saves money. New York City Transit's support infrastructure will now support all MTA bus operations, which makes sense. B) It provides the opportunity to utilize resources more efficiently, which might makes sense. C) It provides the financial infrastructure to run LI Bus without Nassau County money by using NYC funds and state money to do it. >>2. Where is all of the money to do this nonsense come from?<< Savings. Eventual service cuts, elimination of redundant positions. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu May 8 07:14:38 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 7 17:23:46 2008. Sander used some of the words without saying "Regional Bus" ..."... vision of regionalized bus operations ..." |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu May 8 07:16:27 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed May 7 14:34:10 2008. Oh yea big time.They still haven't finished with MABSTOA :-( |
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Posted by railbus63 on Thu May 8 09:01:14 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by JAzumah on Wed May 7 19:03:18 2008. I agree that the orange stripe will probably disappear soon and buses will start moving around between NYCT/MTA Bus and LI Bus, but I disagree with your bleak assessment that Nassau will cut their subsidy and walk away. There is no way the politicians from the city and other parts of the state will allow that to happen - the Westchester politicians alone will scream bloody murder given how much they are paying out to run Bee Line. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 8 11:07:25 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by railbus63 on Thu May 8 09:01:14 2008. It's already happening. They are using NYC as the example. When Rudy Giuliani told the MTA to eat the SIR, the MTA said they would close it down. Giuliani dared them to try it. The SIR continues to run despite not being funded by one NYC dollar.Nassau pays peanuts to the MTA right now. They are barely paying 10% of LIB's budget as it stands now. Watch them get up and walk away very soon. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu May 8 12:00:33 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by JAzumah on Thu May 8 00:37:25 2008. I guess that makes sense especially since we are currently in a recession. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 8 17:02:43 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by JAzumah on Thu May 8 11:07:25 2008. Nassau doesn't do much for LIRR either. I read some time ago that Nassau Co. owes LIRR $$ for maintaining stations. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 8 17:06:13 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Mr RT on Thu May 8 07:14:38 2008. If he says the magic words "Regional Bus", various union feathers' will be ruffled. I think all the unions would want pay parity. Once that happens, what's the sense on having various unions if they all have the same contracts? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 8 17:08:10 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu May 8 12:00:33 2008. George Bush will never admit we are in a recession! |
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Posted by hound on Thu May 8 21:46:13 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:22:08 2008. I've been telling everybody all along this was coming, but they wouldn't believe me. Now, one question is: as far as reducing redundancy, will this affect bus routes? For example-N4/Q5,N21/Q12,N22/Q43. |
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Posted by hound on Thu May 8 21:46:40 2008, in response to Re: It's Official Re: MTA BUS Takeover (Merger)), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 7 14:22:08 2008. I've been telling everybody all along this was coming, but they wouldn't believe me. Now, one question is: as far as reducing redundancy, will this affect bus routes? For example-N4/Q5,N21/Q12,N22/Q43. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Fri Oct 24 23:23:35 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon May 5 23:21:56 2008. i don't know. things are screwy right now, the only thing i know is that 4 hybrid/eletric buses are coming next month. then from what i hear 55 bio-diesel buses (but i can't pin that down for sure)but if the 55 bio-diesel buses do come then i would think the 96xx and possiby 97xx Gilligs will be replaced. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Oct 24 23:33:53 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Apr 17 23:15:44 2008. People simply hate a low floor bus that makes incessant noises, wastes space, makes you feel crammed, and creates a safety hazard by forcing you to walk up the stairs to reach the back seating.Agreed. most riders on the B103 hate those bumass tissuebox POS buses. The inside is too small, most commuters pefer the high floor buses. I hope these POS hybrids never make it to flatbush depot, thats a disater waiting to happen. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Oct 24 23:35:50 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 23:29:01 2008. Agreed. For everybody else these buses suck ass, esp during rush hour. |
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