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Posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008 just a quick heads up these are NOT my shots, these were taken by another photographer here in pittsburgh, a majority of these shots were taken around 1999-2000 era (if I can recall) Just thought I'd show these for for enjoy (well before gilligs were even thought of!)....all credits go to Matt Witkowski;                     Any questions, comments and or concerns...be sure to ask them and I'll answer them to the best of my knowledge ;) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 13 00:16:26 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. Thanks Jonesy. That was a nice look back in time at PAT. What year were those Orion Vs? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 13 00:18:45 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. Three questions:1. Did Metroliners get replaced with Metroliners? 2. The 1600s Neoplans---are those Pennliners by any chance (Neoplans from the big PennDOT order)? 3. How old is the Neoplan artic sitting next to the Metroliner? Nice finds. |
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Posted by R32 B Train on Sun Jan 13 00:21:31 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 13 00:16:26 2008. IIRC, they were from 1992 or 1993 or so. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 13 00:46:38 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. I like the Neoplans... are they 35 feet? They look a bit short to me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 13 10:07:25 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. cool |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 10:44:06 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 13 00:46:38 2008. The ones featured in the photo presentation are indeed 35 feet (save for the Metroliners, of course). |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 10:51:46 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. Wow! Nice representation of PAT from the pre-Gillig days! Please give my props to Mr. Witkowski.Were those Neo artics replaced by the NABIs? Or most likely the suburban Neo artics. The Orion Is...isn't there a story to go along with them. They weren't originally ordered new by PAT, were they (or am I just confusing them with the CTA Orion Is). I'm disappointed that I never got to ride the Orion Vs. They really seemed to be a great fit for PAT. However, I must ask - were the destination signs replaced at some point in their lives? The signs make them look much younger than they were, and I noticed that 2120 had an oder sign, yet 2122 had a newer sign. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:21:52 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 13 00:16:26 2008. The Orion V's were 1990-92 models. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:22:06 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R32 B Train on Sun Jan 13 00:21:31 2008. 90-92 |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:26:33 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 13 00:18:45 2008. Those "white" buses that you see are actually leased "loaner" buses, when construction was going on they needed the Extra buses to buy service so to answer your questions1. The "Newer" Metroliners replaced our old MCI and TMC MC-9s from the 80s which was about 2000. 2. Yes 3. if your talking about the white artic next to that white metroliner, I'd say about 12-13 years old again, those "white" buses you see were loaner buses they weren't really ours but just on lease because of the construction that was going on and the extra service that was needed. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:28:48 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 13 00:46:38 2008. if your talking about the `1600s yes, we actually had both 35 and 40fts at the time (if I find some shots of the 40fts I'll put those up) |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:46:07 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 10:51:46 2008. the white neo artic was a "loaner" bus not ours, the Ikarus buses were replaced by the 3100s (which run the EBA now) in 2005, the suburban neoplans artics (3000s) replaced our old MAN artics in 1998 so its like this....Ikarus (3020-3044) were replaced by the 2005 Neoplans (3101-3125) M.A.Ns (3050-3079) were replaced by the 1998 Neoplan Artics (3050-3075) we actually had two orders of MAN buses the first order was AM general spec'd though we got those in 1979 (3000-3019) then the later order came in 1983, forgot to mention the Ikarus replaced the first order of MANs, thats how it went if I recall....hopefully I'm explaining this to you good lol! The orion I's we had were something from PennDOT on loan to us because of the construction going on as well, you was pretty much right about those man just off on the agency, those were Ex-PACE Orion I's that we had (I never got to ride them unfortunantly) Now the sign thing your mixed up on lol but I'll fix that, the one on 2120 is ACTUALLY the newer kind...while the one on 2122 was actually older one....2120s got retrofitted during its later years, the kind 2122 had is the kind the first order of Orion V's had, the 1990-1 models (2000-2119, along with its sister CNGs 2121, 2123 & 2124) I forget how 2120 managed to get a retrofit but that bus had the sign of its later sisters the 35footers (1650-1686) and the later 91-92 models (2200-2299)...hopefully I explained this to you well If I didn't let me know and I'll try to explain better lol any more question just ask me I'll answer to the best of my knowledge. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 11:59:30 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 11:46:07 2008. Yikes i flipped the numbers for the Orions, lol. Now, you are saying the later 1991/1992 models were delivered with those "bilevel" destination signs? |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:00:29 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 10:51:46 2008. "I'm disappointed that I never got to ride the Orion Vs. They really seemed to be a great fit for PAT"you and me both brother....well actually I got to ride them when those buses were around when I was a kid in the 90s I didn't know what kind of buses they were at the time but I just really liked riding them I remember telling my mom to make sure We would ride those kind of buses lol I wanna shed a tear sometimes because I would do anything to bring them back to our city but its too late now I'm just pissed I never got to get pictures of them like I did of the Flxibles and the currently running Flxibles / Novas :( dont get me wrong I really like the flxs but the orions were my total favorite those 6V92s really sounded great in those buses, I think the last Orion I rode was #2293 DD50 powered orion (We had 13 DD50 powered ones I believe) I just wish I could of had some sort of camera at the time I miss those buses so bad! forgot to mention one of our Former orions were found just last month! #2211 was sitting at a Scrap yard after spending the past 2-3 years at a Fire Department this person took a picture of it I'll post that later on, funny thing about that bus it was the LAST orion V to go period! last running one. the only things I have to remember of our Orions is the two Ride-On ones up in Maryland (5546 and 5547 those buses sound just like ours with the 6V92) LI-Bus also has (or had) some that I like the good thing about it some of orions got second lives up in Canada, Ajax Pickering Transit Authority (I think now known as Durham Area Transit) has atleast 3 or 4 of our 2200s still runnning And to this date I have taken on liking Bee-Lines 2006 Orion V's with the cummins engines (The 600s I believe?)...I dont know why but those things sound mean and I wouldn't mind riding those! |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:03:11 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jan 13 11:59:30 2008. yessir they all came in like this2000-2124 came in 1990 Early 1991, 2120 got lucky for a new Headsign lol the 1600s and 2200s were delivered later 1991 and most of 1992 with the "Bilevel" signs thats how that went. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:11:08 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. heres a shot of #2211 sitting at the Junk Yard, this was taken on December 16th 2007; All credits go to Patrick Rizzo I was so disappointed to find out that Fire Department didn't keep 2211 it was such good bus since PAT put some much work in rehabbing / Repainting it this bus was once a Fire Victim and people thought it was done but there was hope and this bus ran its ass off to the end :( |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 12:42:13 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:00:29 2008. Thanks for sharing those pics! Very interesting!That's right Ajax-Pickering Transit Authority (APTA) aqcuired 4 ex. PaT Vs: 2216, 2227, 2228, and 2253, and they were renumbered to 2063, 2062, 2065, and, 2064 repectively. When APTA became part of Durham Region Transit, the 2 was changed to and 8 to conform to the new numbering system. I had some pictures on the Pittsburgh Transit History site which is down now. If anyone is interested I can post them here. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:57:23 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 12:42:13 2008. PLEASE POST THEM!!!! lol I beg you, just to let you know the owenr of Pittsburgh Transit History gave up on the site hes no longer going to do it (instead hes doing school buses now) but anywho PLEASE POST THOSE PICS!!!!! lol |
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Posted by lantabusfan on Sun Jan 13 14:17:31 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:57:23 2008. Don't feel bad Jovan I never rode an Orion V niether. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 14:19:32 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by lantabusfan on Sun Jan 13 14:17:31 2008. I did ride an Orion V I just never got any pictures of one... |
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Posted by lantabusfan on Sun Jan 13 15:11:52 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 14:19:32 2008. shame on you then.lol |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 16:04:23 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by lantabusfan on Sun Jan 13 15:11:52 2008. I was like 14 when they started pulling most of them off the road I did have a pic or two from an Old Kokad flash camera that I had only two orions shots from that which I can't find infortunantly but by the time I got a digital camera there was no hope 2211 was the only one running. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Jan 13 17:57:57 2008, in response to PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sat Jan 12 23:36:11 2008. Those Orion V's look so TTC-esque in their original scheme that it isn't funny. That interim white scheme, however, looks ugly especially on the Pennliners and that leased Neoplan artic looks worn-out and ugly. |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 18:19:22 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 12:57:23 2008. Here you go! Also thanks for the heads up on his site.These photos showing the ex. PaT Vs operating for DRT:     Here are some other of my pictures of the ex. PaT V operating under APTA posted on www.etspe.ca:    |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 20:00:30 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 18:19:22 2008. aww man boy do I miss those buses! thank YOU kindly...looks like they kept the division numbers on them bad boys, seats are slightly diffrent there use to be orange around them do you mind if I show these to a friend of mine I'll make sure I give you credit I just wanna show a couple Pittsburgh bus fans these shots? |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 20:25:58 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 18:19:22 2008. now thats the kind of shots I wanted of ours when they were running here! just didn't have a camera at the time. |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 21:22:20 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 20:00:30 2008. No problem! Yeah was a while before I figures out what those numbers in the corner were!Also, feel free to show those pictures to others. Maybe you can make your way up here one day and get pics of these buses. It's like a second chance to get them. And apart from the PaT Vs, we have other second hand buses from the US running for DRT: 1 ex. LYNX V, 2 ex. RGRTA Vs, 7 ex. First- Philadelphia Airport LFSes, and a an ex. DDOT Classic (but it was recently retired). I'll post some pics for those interested in another thread. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 21:29:23 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 21:22:20 2008. put those pics up too, I appreciate it me and a friend of mine plan on coming up there some day just to ride them, those buses were the best...Orion Vs period are great buses to me it just all depends on what TAs running them and whatnot. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 21:30:30 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 21:22:20 2008. jeesh thats really the system of secondhand buses! |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun Jan 13 22:21:34 2008, in response to Re: PICS: Old Archived PAT shots, posted by PATransit on Sun Jan 13 21:29:23 2008. No porblem! Hope you do make it up here, got some interesting stuff at DRT.Yep, we sure do have a lot of second hand buses here, some other smaller transit agencies in Ontario have second hand buses from the US too. |
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