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Metro Apple Express

Posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007

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Does anyone have a full list of the old Metro Apple Express Routes?


Thanks In Advance,
Trevor

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by The TransitMan on Tue Mar 13 01:02:04 2007, in response to Metro Apple Express, posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007.

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Okay. I have the BM15 route:


To Manhattan:

Ocean Pkwy & Ave Z
Ave Z
Snell Av
86th St
Stillwell Av
Bay Ridge Pkwy
3rd Av (Manhattan bound)/66th St to 4th Av (Brooklyn bound)
Gowanus Expwy
Brooklyn Battery Tunnel
West St
Battery Pl
State St
Water St

Ends at Water St and Fulton St


I hope that helps!

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by The TransitMan on Tue Mar 13 01:05:56 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by The TransitMan on Tue Mar 13 01:02:04 2007.

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LOL! I forgot about the Midtown service!



Trinty Pl
Church St
6th Av
W 59th St

Ends at W 59th St between 6th Av and 5th Av

Down 5th Av
Broadway
Battery Pl
West st and back to Brooklyn

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Mar 13 12:25:29 2007, in response to Metro Apple Express, posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007.

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BM10
BM11
BM15
BM15 via Water Street

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 13 18:03:35 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by JAzumah on Tue Mar 13 12:25:29 2007.

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Wasn't there also a "BM12"?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Tue Mar 13 18:56:09 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Dan on Tue Mar 13 18:03:35 2007.

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I heard of it but I didn't see it on the Express Bus Map.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by andy on Tue Mar 13 21:03:59 2007, in response to Metro Apple Express, posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007.

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What happened to Metro Apple's Brooklyn routes?

Wasn't Metro Applie a Red & Tan affiliate?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:38:46 2007, in response to Metro Apple Express, posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007.

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Whatever happened to the routes...and the company?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Mar 14 00:53:27 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by JAzumah on Tue Mar 13 12:25:29 2007.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Mar 14 07:23:56 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Mar 14 00:53:27 2007.

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WHOA! When did New York Bus Service's downtown routes end then?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Eric B on Wed Mar 14 15:59:49 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:38:46 2007.

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The routes were supposedly picked up by some van company, an then you never heard about it again. More recently; when we began discussing the PBL takeover; and I first suggested NYBL come over and pick up the routes to use for the buses it owned; I asked how the routes were doing, and someone told me they are not run at all anymore.
So it is just something that fizzed out. The one time I did ride it, there weren't that many people.

I think it was related to one of the NJ companies, because there was a bus to Jersey City or somewhere that said Big Apple Express or something like that, and looked nearly identical (I think with some gold on it, and same Flxibles). Not sure if it was connected with Red & Tan, though.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 15 14:51:58 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Eric B on Wed Mar 14 15:59:49 2007.

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The NJ company you may be thinking of was called Red Apple Transit and was absorbed into Academy's #22 Hillside operation. It's route ran Hoboken-PABT. If Metro Apple and Red Apple were related Metro Apple might have been the first to become MTAB when #22 decided to stop running its own buses and become a contractor fot NJT.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by WayneJay on Fri Mar 16 09:12:38 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by andy on Tue Mar 13 21:03:59 2007.

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Could be. I always thought that Metro Apple Express simply purchased some of ex-NJT Transit Flxible new look suburban and one-door transits.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Ken S. on Fri Mar 16 10:30:31 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Mar 14 00:53:27 2007.

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Found this pic of a Metro Apple GM.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Hart Bus on Fri Mar 16 11:50:13 2007, in response to Metro Apple Express, posted by The Maven on Tue Mar 13 00:05:46 2007.

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IIRC, Metro Apple ran a route as a contract carrier for the NYS Dept of Labor from Court St to the Unemployment office on Main St near the docks. It always had a NYS Dept of labor sign in the lower right of the windshield.

Don't know if it was freebie, or you had to show something to get on or the route.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Eric B on Fri Mar 16 12:30:47 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 15 14:51:58 2007.

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Or was that then Metro Apple shut down for good, instead?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Eric B on Fri Mar 16 12:38:14 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Mar 16 11:50:13 2007.

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That was picked up by Varsity, even before Metro Apple cesed running. It had been a showcase of old non-AC fishbowls (but with the back doors sealed up).
I uased that once to go apply for a job, and I think you did have to show something.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Ken S. on Fri Mar 16 12:48:53 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Eric B on Fri Mar 16 12:30:47 2007.

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I think Metro Apple shut down before Academy absorbed Red Apple into #22 Hillside. Of course, if the companies were related would Academy have picked up Metro Apple's routes and used NJT's buses on them or turned the routes over to Command?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:30:41 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Eric B on Fri Mar 16 12:38:14 2007.

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Yes, Varsity did get the labor shuttle and used ex - Command fishbowls with a/c. and even i of the original RTS`S 353 which became Varsity 754. The only non a/c bus was 235 which Green had and then it sat in the yard as it still does today. Several attempts were made at restoring this bus it was never completed. Currently it is poor shape with little or no windows left and the fact that it has not turned a wheel on its own for about 10 years does not help it.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:37:04 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Ken S. on Fri Mar 16 12:48:53 2007.

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Command was all set to get the routes but the entire deal was ended because Command \ Stan Brettschneider wanted mileage money from the end of the routes back to their garage in East New York and the City said no way. Al Manti of Manti transportation already was running the routes with those mini buses of his so they just let him continue to do so. I do not know if he is still operation or not.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by QM18Express on Fri Mar 16 14:11:21 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:37:04 2007.

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I know there's a company called Bay Ridge Bus that uses a 35 foot BlueBird in a charter set up. I see it down in Lower Manhattan sometimes going by NY Downtown Hospital with a few people on it. I have seen it once in the afternoon around 4 PM or so heading towards the Battery Tunnel.
Maybe I go look for it today for the heck of it!

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 16 14:25:20 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:30:41 2007.

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It was Varsity 794 that was used. In addition, BIA 0rion 01.508 CNGs 701 and 702 were also used.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 16 14:55:21 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:30:41 2007.

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...and even i of the original RTS`S 353 which became Varsity 754

Is it 704? Or is it a different bus?



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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Mar 16 16:31:51 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:37:04 2007.

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Where was Apple's garage? Why couldn't Command acquire it?

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Hart Bus on Fri Mar 16 17:31:36 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:30:41 2007.

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Command 235 was in the DOT Yard on both 6/700 & 8/23/00, so its been awhile since any attention was paid to the bus.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Eric B on Sat Mar 17 11:51:44 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:30:41 2007.

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The non-AC buses I was talking about on Metro Apple were not the same as the one Command had. I don't know what they did with those, but in the end, Metro Apple began getting the ex-TA GM Blitz's, and even some RTS's at the very end.
Then, the Varsity labor shuttle got those modified school buses.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Eric B on Sat Mar 17 11:56:26 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:37:04 2007.

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Oh, so that was the whole story.
From what I heard, the mini bus operations has ceased, but it was too bad, because again, Arrigoni or someone could have picked those up and continued opration os his buses. He could have moved his whole operation over there, as he was already providing the mobile classrooms for the Boro Park area. (Now I'm seeing those mobile vans scattered all around everywhere owned by others, and only half painted over.)

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Mon Mar 19 07:35:14 2007, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 16 14:55:21 2007.

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Originally they numbered it 704 as seen above, but it was changed to 754 before it ever was used in service. Answer I got was that there was another 704 [ fishbowl ] still running and they wanted to distiguish between the fishbowls and the RTS`S and unlike Private Transportation Varsity / Command did not like having 2 buses with the same numbers.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Allen45 on Fri Jun 9 15:04:00 2023, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Mar 14 07:23:56 2007.

I wish I still was able to see whatever image this was, but all of New York Bus Service's Downtown routes ended in 1987. Co-Op City to Downtown service began in 1978 while routes between Parkchester, Pelham Bay, Throgs Neck and Morris Park began in 1985.

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Re: Metro Apple Express

Posted by Allen45 on Fri Jan 10 15:33:09 2025, in response to Re: Metro Apple Express, posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Fri Mar 16 13:37:04 2007.

I know this is necroposting, but I know that there are knowledgeable people here, but if this is true, why couldn't Command Bus use the Metro Apple garage in Sunset Park? Or buy a new facility, let the city help with the upgrades and then they now have a valuable real estate holding in a gentrifying part of Brooklyn.

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