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Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Oct 19 18:16:30 2023, in response to Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 19 09:02:36 2023. This would result in greater capacity of the street to handle buses. However, the buses themselves would each have reduced capacity because the presence of additional doors would reduce seating and standing space. A bit of a trade-off, so I would consider such a solution only if there were no other streets available for bus use, and this was the only means by which the street could handle the number of buses required. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 19 21:55:52 2023, in response to Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 19 09:02:36 2023. The service problems are not in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 19 21:56:53 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by BusMgr on Thu Oct 19 18:16:30 2023. This would result in greater capacity of the street to handle buses.That already exists in two parts of Queens. |
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Posted by snilcher on Fri Oct 20 00:25:52 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 19 21:56:53 2023. What 2 parts of Queens are those and how is it implemented? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Oct 20 05:03:32 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by snilcher on Fri Oct 20 00:25:52 2023. The two parts of Queens are Downtown Flushing and Downtown Jamaica.The number of buses that are scheduled to cross certain key intersections per hour exceed intersection capacity. These are just the documented scheduled buses. There may be more that are deadheaded but don't appear on the GTFS schedule. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 20 18:26:17 2023, in response to Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 19 09:02:36 2023. There's a Manhattan in Hong Kong? |
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Posted by nh153 on Fri Oct 20 23:28:00 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Oct 20 05:03:32 2023. I'm not sure having doors on both sides would be much help. It could be confusing for the driver. And it might increase accidents as people get out of the bus.Maybe an automobile driver would not expect to see a person get out of the driver side of the bus. Would it be limited to routes on narrow, one-way streets? Maybe a route like M66? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Oct 21 11:08:55 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by nh153 on Fri Oct 20 23:28:00 2023. No, the bus would have doors and driver on only one side of the bus, but opposite from OUR usual buses. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Oct 21 11:10:37 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by nh153 on Fri Oct 20 23:28:00 2023. No, the bus would have doors and driver on only one side of the bus, but opposite from OUR usual buses.Most likely used on wider avenues. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Oct 21 20:32:38 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Oct 21 11:08:55 2023. I had envisioned buses with doors on both sides, much like many school buses. If the buses had doors only on the left side, then they would be able to stop only on one-way streets, or on streets with a central median.Transit buses with doors only on the left side are presently being operated in the U.S. Virgin Islands (not for the purpose of increasing street capacity but because in this part of the United States motorists drive on the left-side of the street). So it is technically feasible to have buses with only left-side doors, but such buses would be of such limited use anywhere but in the U.S. Virgin Islands. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 22 07:10:53 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by BusMgr on Sat Oct 21 20:32:38 2023. New York City, mostly in Manhattan has how many one-way avenues, 10, maybe 12?Then there is the suburban Express buses with single point-to-point pick-up and drop-off. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 23 20:10:37 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by BusMgr on Sat Oct 21 20:32:38 2023. There are buses with doors on both sides. One example is Cleveland RTA's HealthLine BRT. Were you thinking of having buses pick up and drop off on the median of Broadway north of Columbus Circle, like the TARS Broadway streetcars used to do? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 24 03:13:46 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 23 20:10:37 2023. I doubt that the TARS streetcars picked up on the median of upper Bway since the Huffliners on that line did not have left hand doors near the farebox. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 24 04:42:29 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 24 03:13:46 2023. Possible if pay-as-you-leave operation was in effect, although not easy to control.Last time I witnessed that was on the Newark Subway during PCC days, to control fare collection off peak in the low-fare underground zone. Also saw that on Pittsburgh LRT. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 24 07:27:05 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 23 20:10:37 2023. There are buses with doors on both sides. One example is Cleveland RTA's HealthLine BRT.I was totally unaware double door sided articulates are available. They could revolutionize surface transit in NYC and other metro cities with one-way streets. Now, do you see what happens when one idea leads to another, and a BRAINSTORM begins! Thanks for everyone's help, even negative criticism.
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Posted by Allan on Tue Oct 24 14:21:11 2023, in response to Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 19 09:02:36 2023. Interesting idea but I don't think it would be practical from an equipment standpoint. Buses would be restricted to specific one-way avenues/streets and could never be used on other routes. If a re-route was needed in emergency etc. these buses would be "stuck". |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Oct 24 18:24:57 2023, in response to Re: Greater service and Capacity in Manhattan?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 23 20:10:37 2023. Can you compare the passenger capacity, seated and standing, of these RTA buses with standard articulated buses? |
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