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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Oct 12 21:09:44 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 12 10:11:35 2016.

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Mother - fu$king owned. And this is all common sense.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 08:41:38 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:19:40 2016.

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I suppose you are calling it a mere coincidence. If so, I have nothing else to say on this matter.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 13 08:51:51 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 08:41:38 2016.

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You suppose wrong. Answer the question or GTFO.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 09:06:56 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 08:41:38 2016.

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If so, it obviously would have been a coincidence. It takes much longer than 3 weeks for such a change to occur.

But it isn't true. The Manhattan crosstown routes weren't renumbered in 1984. As David points out, that happened half a decade later.

So that means it was not a coincidence. It was a factual error.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:02:22 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Oct 12 12:23:56 2016.

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This is a perfect example why you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet because it is not all correct.

I still maintain Manhattan Crosstown routes were renumbered in 1984, not 1989.

Notice the article says "around 1989" indicating the person writing the article was not sure. There are are also other mistakes in the chart. For one it states the M23 was previously the 15 prior to 1989 which is incorrect. This is how I know.

In 1974, there were many Manhattan bus route renumberings which was the basis of my letter to the New York Times in July 1974.

Prior to then, there were many duplicate route numbers. The only distinction was that some had an M prefix and others were just called Route. The numbers that were duplicated were the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 15 and 20. In fact, there were three routes numbered 15 in Manhattan prior to July 1974. There was the 23 Street Crosstown, the First/Second Avenue route and and the Queensboro Bridge route which was renumbered M32 in 1974. The routes had to be renumbered because the MTA at that time decided to add borough prefixes and didn't want two or even three routes all beginning with M.

So they used numbers that were currently unused to replace the duplicate numbers with no other logic. That was the basis of my letter that the new numbers should have corresponded to the street numbers.

The chart says the M23 was previously the 15 prior to 1989. That is incorrect because the 15 designation from that route was removed in 1974, not 1989. In 1974, it was given another designation, and then renumbered again in 1984.

The chart shows the M16 remaining the M16 and also shows it as being renumbered to M34. That is conflicting and unclear information. It says that because the Penn Station branch remained as the M16 and wasn't changed to the M34 until much later. The chart also shows the 49/50 Street route as being discontinued, and also shows it as being renumbered to M50 from M3. It was never discontinued.

David Gunn was hired in February 1984. I met with him in April and he set up an interview with me and the head of OP in May 1984 where I reiterated my idea to renumber Manhattan bus routes. It was done three weeks later in June 1984 so your article is incorrect.




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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:04:01 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 06:22:15 2016.

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True and they are just as guilty as pedestrians who are also on their phone who do not realize the signal has changed.

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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:09:07 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Oct 11 08:26:11 2016.

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What law states that you are allowed to briefly enter an active bus lane to get around obstructions?

You are also technically never allowed to cross a double yellow line unless instructed by a police officer. But many times none are present and there are double parked cars or utility work so you have no other choice but to cross a double yellow. Where are exceptions mentioned?

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:13:23 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by AlM on Tue Oct 11 14:28:10 2016.

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You may not agree with someone's opinion and therefor call them an idiot. But anyone that can write well is not an idiot. No letter is ever printed in the New York Tines that is not well written.

I said if they did print letters from idiots, TS would have no triuble getting a letter printed. Do not change what I wrote. I never said they print all letters from idiots.

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:13:52 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:02:10 2016.

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It wasn't my logic. AIM changed what I wrote.

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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:15:07 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 08:30:09 2016.

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He didn't say they all were marked.

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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:21:50 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:16:40 2016.

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No you don't just "go". You look first to make sure no one is running the red light. You need to be aware of your surroundings. I have seen many savvy pedestrians who will not cross first until they make eye contact with the driver even if they have the right of way just to make sure he sees them. Many also will cede their right of way telling the driver to go first.

To just immediately cross without first looking just because the light changed is dumb.

LEARN TO HAVE COMMON SENSE.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:25:38 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 09:06:56 2016.

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As I pointed out, David is incorrect because the website he quoted from is in error. It ocurred in 1984, not 1989.

And changing route numbers digitally can be done in three weeks. If they depended on roll signs, they would need interim paper signs until the roll signs could all be updated. Back then many roll signs were I aperture anyway and many buses only had cardboard signs in the dashboard.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 10:26:28 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:02:22 2016.

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I know that the first renumbering (that of the M16 and M106) did not take place until 1986, and even then it was done over a period of years. I have no way of proving it to you, so you're just going to continue to believe what you want to believe. But I still know you're wrong.

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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:27:06 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 12 10:11:35 2016.

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Good post.

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 10:30:46 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:13:23 2016.

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Idiots can write adequately, and letters that are written merely adequately are published in the Times.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:32:23 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 10:26:28 2016.

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So if you are correct, that would mean that a few of the crosstown routes were renumbered after 1984 but before 1989 as David stated by his link. But I know for a fact the at least the M42 was renumbered from the M106 in 1984, and I believe the others I mentioned were as well. It is possible that the two you mentioned were renumbered two years later which would mean the website is wrong. The M16 Penn Station branch was renumbered last.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:36:49 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:32:23 2016.

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Additionally, perhaps they waited on those routes because initially they were hesitating about adding more route numbers over 100 because they eventually wanted all numbers between 1 and 99 in all the boroughs. They also wanted to eliminate all letter suffixes.

Then later they relented and did renumber bus numbers to over 100 and also changed the M16 (Penn Station) to the M34A.

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 13 10:37:13 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:13:23 2016.

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I never said they print all letters from idiots.

I know you didn't. That is why your logic was faulty. Once we verify hypothetically that TS is an idiot, the only way to be certain that his letters would be printed is if they publish all letters from idiots. But they don't.

And now that you've changed your logic, it's still faulty for the reason SP has pointed out.



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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:49:19 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by AlM on Thu Oct 13 10:37:13 2016.

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I didn't change any logic.

Technically TS is not an idiot. I only call him that because he constantly calls me one. His IQ is clearly above 60. That, however, does not preclude him from being an a-hole for which there are no scientific standards, by always wanting to be right and insisting he knows more than he actually does.

That said, this discussion is ridiculous because we do not know if he ever sent a letter to any publication ncluding the NY Times.

This whole thing starte by him calling me an idiot and my response that the NY Times does not publish letters by "idiots" because an idiot cannot write well enough to get published. I further stated that not only was my letter published, but the MTA eventually took my suggestion to renumber Manhattan bus routes to match the street numbers.

So if I am an idiot, so is the MTA for following that suggestion and you won't find anyone to believe it was a bad idea because it was a great one making bus routes much more understandable to tourists, enabling you to take a crosstown bus without having a map in your hands and being afraid that the bus may turn off the crosstown street a block after you board.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 10:53:20 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:25:38 2016.

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If they were renumbered in 1984, why would the 1986 bus maps show the old numbers?

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 10:59:45 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:32:23 2016.

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On the 1986 map I am looking at right now, the M8 was still the M13, the M23 was still the M26, the M50 was still (fully) the M27, the M66 was still the M29, the M79 was still the M17, the M86 was still the M18, the M96 and M106 were still the M19 and the M116 was still the M20.

The M31, M57 and M72 were the unholy jumble of routes known as the M28, M30, M31, and M103

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 13 11:01:23 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:49:19 2016.

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"Idiot", Wrong", "Bump" and "Liar" are the only contributions Baby Brat Brian is capable of, can't distinguish opinion from right and wrong - a narcissist starving for attention, who has been thrown off the other transit chat board and obviously cannot function normally in adult society.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 12:10:29 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:36:49 2016.

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Why would the M23 M50 M57 M66 M72 M79 M86 or M96 be delayed due to concerns about numbering buses over 100?

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 13:22:01 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 12:10:29 2016.

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They weren't. I was talking about 106 Street and 116 St.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 13:22:47 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 13:22:01 2016.

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But none of the ones I listed were renumbered when you said they renumbered the Manhattan buses.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 13:37:37 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 13 08:51:51 2016.

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Bump.

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Re: Proff that BrooklynBus is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 13:43:07 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:13:52 2016.

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I'm talking about your logic in the posts you made on this topic. As well as the logic you use in most of your posts. Your logic is messed up.

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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 13:44:40 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:27:06 2016.

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Why? It disagrees with the posts you have been making on the subject. He's saying that you are wrong.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 16:46:34 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 10:59:45 2016.

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Was 57th Street reform completed in 1988?

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 16:46:56 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 16:46:34 2016.

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NOTE: I know about the M58.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:17:59 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 13:22:47 2016.

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Most or all of them were renumbered in 1984 as I stated. The website stating "around 1989" is incorrect.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 17:19:45 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:17:59 2016.

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You've been explicitly proven wrong with evidence and you still stick to your false claim.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:29:17 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by R30A on Thu Oct 13 10:59:45 2016.

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A possible explanation is that my memory is a little faulty and they were not all renumbered at once but in several stages with only the M34, M42 and M57 being renumbered first in 1984. (I believe the M14 was always the M14.) And the others renumbered between 1986 and 1989. I think the M8 was not renumbered until MTA takeover from East Broadway.

But the overall point is still the same. They took my suggestion while saying it was a poor idea. That is hypocrisy.



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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:31:04 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 13 11:01:23 2016.

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Owned a thousand times.

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Oct 13 17:44:03 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 13 11:01:23 2016.

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Affirmative. That pretty much sums it up.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:25:47 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:17:59 2016.

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Wrong. I worked the M-106 and also the M-17 out of 54th St.
They also had the 59th St "crosstown" labeled the M-103. It ran from York Ave. under the bridge across 60th St. to West End Ave, then up to 72nd St. and Broadway.
54th St. in 1984 also had the M-6, M-28, M-30 and the M-32.
It was well AFTER 1984 when the route changes came about.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:26:57 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:25:47 2016.

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Oh, and the 23rd St. crosstown was the M-26.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:29:32 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:29:17 2016.

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M-57 was STILL the M-28 (Wilbur was the SLD at 57th and Bway)in 1984.


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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 18:33:01 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 17:19:45 2016.

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This^^^^

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 18:33:26 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:25:47 2016.

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Lol

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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults.

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 18:34:52 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:31:04 2016.

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You obviously don't know what owned means. You can't use it when the post you are replying to is wrong.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 22:02:33 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 17:29:17 2016.

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Wrong. As I've already said, I am certain that the M34 and M42 date to 1986. R30A posted that it was still the M28 and M103 in 1986 and he used a 1986 map for reference. Further, I am fairly certain that the M57/M58 date to 1989.*

*Earlier I posted 1988, but that was a typo and as it was a question, it didn't make sense to correct it as I am not sure when it was. I just know that by 1990 the remaining unrenumbered routes were the M13, M19 and M20.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 22:04:01 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:25:47 2016.

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More definitive proff. Excellent post.

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 23:54:53 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by bigbusdriver on Thu Oct 13 18:25:47 2016.

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I was talking about route renumberings, not route changes.

I conceded that some were renumbered in 1986 or later. Are you saying the M106 was renumbered the M42 after 1984?

Does the 1986 map show it as M106 or M42?

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 23:58:28 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 22:02:33 2016.

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The M42 was previously the M106, not the M103. And where does R 30A state that occurred in 1986?

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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 00:16:12 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 23:58:28 2016.

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Please read before responding.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by B1bus on Fri Oct 14 00:20:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 16 17:54:20 2016.

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I told you to do that in several other posts and you continue to engage him is the same nonsence over and over again.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 14 07:08:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by B1bus on Fri Oct 14 00:20:27 2016.

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He doesn't listen. He's not very bright. He's also a liar. He said he would ignore me bit he didn't.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 14 07:23:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 14 07:08:58 2016.

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*but

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Proof BrooklynBus posts false information

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Oct 14 07:30:08 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:27:47 2016.

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The Manhattan crosstowns were renumbered in 1984 as I stated.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG - - R30A looked at a 1986 Manhattan Bus map in his collection and proved your statement was false.

You even claimed that On your promotional interview as head of OP, you made the suggestion (again) to renumber all crosstown routes to correspond with the street number they mostly run on during the interview. Three weeks later, all of the Manhattan routes were renumbered

R30A looked at a 1986 bus map and said only about half of the crosstown routes were done, listing the old route numbers still in use. That's anywhere between 55 and 104 weeks after your interview, not 3 weeks are you falsely claim.

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