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Posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015 Looking at BusChat this morning, I hoped to find something other than the Bites from Sheepshead.--- If I may go to the other end of creation, it's remarkable that the Bx1 and Bx2 have stayed the same for almost 90 years, my guess. Earliest photos show the route number without the prefix. I recall another photo showing the upper deck with a central longitudinal bench over the heads of passengers of the aisle below. My memory begins with the 1940's, when Bx1 and its rather new GM's loaded eastbound on West 231 St., then climbed Kingsbridge Heights via Albany Crescent and Heath Avenue, passing the old 50th precinct station house. At the top, the Bx2, which we never rode, began. --- Bx1 u-turned at 138th Street, and loaded near the Mott Haven station of the New York Central. Bx2 went to The Hub. Both now go to 138th and 3rd. --- A few years back, both northbound routes lost their passage rights in front of DeWitt Clinton HS. They now must detour to Mosholu Pkwy for a long block and then join Sedgwick Avenue at a crazy intersection. --- Concourse buses have their allure. A passenger may remain at street level without descending into the mazes and unprotected corners of the D train station. When you ride it, the bus seems slow, but the D also seems to lumber along without rapid transit speed. --- I recommend the book, "Boulevard of Dreams," by Constance Rosenblum. |
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Posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 15:44:44 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. I have fond memories of living on the Concourse and watching the Surface Transportation B1 and B2 buses pass regularly. I didn't know that they no longer are permitted to pass in front of De Witt Clinton, my alma mater.During my youth I clearly recall the old pre-war Macks (series 600 I believe) were always used. I don't remember that they ever used any new GMs on either line until the MABSTOA days. Right after the end of the war they purchased a fleet of new Macks to replace the old, tired ones. The new ones had red sides and tops, with the familiar cream window band. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 16:37:02 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 15:44:44 2015. Surface Bx1 abd Bx2. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 16:43:46 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 15:44:44 2015. I also went to DeWitt C. I lived in the "Hub" and either took the IRT or the bus to school. When I had early classes, it was the train.The Bx2 was a Kingsbridge bus; the Bx 1 Coliseum. Those first early a.m. runs on the Bx2 out of 150th street were run by Coliseum buses, which would later turn into Bx1s. I recall seeing Coliseum's GM 4509, 4510s, 5104s and 5106s doing the early a.m. runs, as they passed my apartment on Courtlandt Ave. They would just about get to Mosholu Pkwy when I was arriving by train. jrc |
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Posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 17:17:51 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 16:43:46 2015. We lived on the Concourse until I was 14, at which time we moved to New Jersey. I transferred to the NJ High School, only to find out that I'd graduate a year later because of the sequence of courses they offered. So I re-registered back at Clinton for my final year, using my sister's address in the Bronx. Every morning I'd catch the Intercity #30 at 6:30 AM from Passaic to Manhattan. I'd typically have to wait for the Erie train from Chicago pass by as I walked to the bus stop. Ironically, the only time I got to school late was the one time a slept at my sister's. That morning there was a train wreck at Mosholu Parkway and Jerome Avenue. Two trains collided, and all the northbound buses were jammed, since the trains were out of service. Gee--I'm really dating myself, huh? |
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Posted by Joe on Tue May 12 17:54:53 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 17:17:51 2015. Restatement: Southbound Bx1 and Bx2 can use the one-way service road in front of DeWitt Clinton. Because that street was made one-way a few years ago, northbounds make an odd zig-zag onto and off Mosholu Pkwy. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 18:01:45 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 17:54:53 2015. Yea, more time wasted for riders. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 18:03:02 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 17:17:51 2015. Wow, BxBus, the only collision I know of happened "ages" ago. You couldn't be referring to THAT one? |
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Posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 19:48:46 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 18:03:02 2015. Yup--I guess I go back quite a few ages myself. That wreck happened sometime around the early 50s, I believe. I even go back to before the buses replaced all of the Bronx trolleys! Perhaps I should change my handle to "Bx ANTIQUE." |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 21:55:35 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by BxBus on Tue May 12 19:48:46 2015. LOL, BxBus. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 15:29:07 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. Thank you for posting this. That looks like a very interesting book, so I've put it on my wish list. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Wed May 13 16:11:58 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. Awesome post. I have that book and I also recommend it. |
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Posted by Joe on Thu May 14 07:13:36 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. Even though Surface Transportation was a subsidiary of TARS (Third Avenue Railway System), free transfers between the original Bronx bus lines and the remaining streetcars (1946 or so) were not offered. Trolley transfers were good on trolleys, as listed on the three-part ticket. TARS had learned its lesson, and the bus routes weren't going to offer free transfers to intersecting trolleys. Surface bus transfers were valid on other Surface bus lines, but there weren't that many intersections of routes, as some of the original bus lines were mere feeders, isolated. I never did it, but I think you could transfer from the Bx1 to the Bx10 (Riverdale) at West 231st Street and Broadway, but you could not transfer to the C car, the present Bx9.--- With the Metrocard, a passenger can sometimes work a one-fare round trip on routes that meet twice. On the Concourse, of course, one can ride south on the bus and use the Metrocard within 2h:18 to return home on the D. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu May 14 09:44:51 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Thu May 14 07:13:36 2015. Or take the Bx1 to 231st and r/t on the Bx10; and vice versa.One fare. jrc |
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Posted by Joe on Thu May 14 12:15:47 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. Wikipedia |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu May 14 19:40:10 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 15:29:07 2015. This is a great book if your interested in Bronx history. Well worth a read.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu May 14 20:41:59 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 12 16:43:46 2015. Interesting. What year was that when COL operated the Bx1? I never knew that the Bx1 was operated by COL (except when the old KB closed in the late 80s).The earliest recollection is around 1973. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri May 15 13:03:18 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu May 14 19:40:10 2015. I'm interested in New York City history in general, so this looks great. Thank you for the additional recommendation. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 15 16:40:01 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by WayneJay on Thu May 14 20:41:59 2015. If I recall back in Surface Transit days, the Bx1 and Bx2 along with some other routes I can’t recall at the moment operated out of a depot called “Central Bronx” which was actually in the area of 126 St and 2 Av in Manhattan and was taken over by the city when MaBSTOA was created in 1962. Prior to that the NYCTA “Manhattan Garage” was merely an open lot near the Central Bronx garage where its buses were stored. When the city and TA took over, it claimed the former STS garage to store and maintain NYCTA buses and the former STS, now MaBSTOA, buses were reassigned to other depots. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri May 15 18:33:43 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Thu May 14 12:15:47 2015. The Fifth Avenue Coach route numbers when Fifth Avenue Coach operated the two Concourse routes were:12 Concourse (now Bx 1) and 14 Concourse-Hub (now Bx 2) |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri May 15 22:42:14 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by WayneJay on Thu May 14 20:41:59 2015. The Bx1 ran from COL during the '60s up until....? Not sure when KB received both lines but its been quite a long time now. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Sat May 16 20:30:24 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. On the avenue. Grand Concourse.
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Posted by Joe on Sun May 17 10:49:43 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. I have linked |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun May 17 12:57:24 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Sun May 17 10:49:43 2015. That is Melrose Ave.'tween 150th and 151st Street, the Hub. My old grade school, the Immaculate Conception, is just behind the bus. Played there all my young life. Had a close friend who had two uncles that drove buses and we would often wait there for them.jrc |
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Posted by TheHat on Sun May 17 14:01:08 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Sun May 17 10:49:43 2015. I walked my first foot post Beat(2,3 & 9)out of the 40 there in the summer of '99. Nice to see it in better days and with a bus to boot. |
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Posted by BxBus on Sun May 17 14:53:46 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Sun May 17 10:49:43 2015. To this day I can virtually hear the sound of this series bus approaching my stop on the Concourse, and then pulling away from the curb. And remembering also the rickety creaks and sounds they made. They were getting old. |
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Posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015.  Above is part of a 1958 Surface Transit map. Note the southern terminals of the Bx1 and Bx2. Anything else notable from this map? Thanks. Joe |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 12:56:03 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. The Bx41 ran all the way to & beyond 138th. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 12:58:04 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. The Bx2 ran along 165th and also along Courtlandt Av, which was two way at that time. It became a one-way n/b in the early 60's, but retaining its cobble stone until much later. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:00:05 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. Not seen here is the northern terminal of the 100, al the way up into Riverdale, when it was useful. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:07:17 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:00:05 2015.  OA 6888 on the M100 in 1966, in Riverdale. jrc |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 20 13:31:47 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. St. Ann's Avenue had bus service-the Bx32. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 20 13:32:27 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. St. Ann's Avenue had bus service-the Bx32. |
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Posted by Joe on Wed May 20 14:56:24 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:07:17 2015. Is the location of 6888 the Bell Tower? If the Bx10A was added to the route of the M100, providing service from the Bell Tower to Spuyten Duyvil, Inwood, and 125th Street, tt would seem to have been a useful connection of routes that previously overlapped from Isham Street to West 230th. I wonder how long that combination lasted.Joe |
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Posted by Joe on Wed May 20 15:00:48 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 14:56:24 2015. 
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed May 20 17:23:22 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:07:17 2015. 6888 pictured has a 2 way radio whip antenna. Thought that would be around 1969. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 17:32:32 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by B53RICH on Wed May 20 17:23:22 2015. 1969? Apparently not. The pic was '66. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Wed May 20 17:51:24 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:07:17 2015. I loved the busorama ad signs remember all the Rheingold beer ads ? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 20 19:08:35 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. This brings up another interesting question: It's not possible now because of development at the extreme southern end of Washington Avenue that resulted in a block being de-mapped and the last block being orphaned, but were Third and Washington Avenues not a one-way pair at the time? If not, when did it start and end? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri May 22 04:24:33 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 20 19:08:35 2015. Yes it was a one way pair with Washington Avenue one way south and Third Avenue one way north. I don't know when this began but either the late '80s or early '90s Third Avenue was changed to a two way street. However Washington Avenue still remains one way. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 12:11:16 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 20 13:07:17 2015. Awesome! Was the M-100 operating out of AMS at that point? My earliest recollection of #6888 is when it was assigned to WF, and then (I think) it went to FFS. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 12:16:21 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri May 22 04:24:33 2015. Third Ave become one-way (N/B) in 1973 when the Third Ave el service ended/Bx55 service started. The new Bx55 and Bx29 operated N/B on Third Ave, and S/B on Washington Ave. The Bx55 buses going to/from 199th St Hub also operated via Melrose Ave between 149th and 161st Streets. Those were the best days for the Bx55, and it because quite the slow ride when Third Ave was converted back to two-way traffic flow. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 12:17:31 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Wed May 20 12:47:28 2015. I remember the old Bx49 operating from COL in the 1970s, and later from KB |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed May 27 13:12:57 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 12:11:16 2015. Yes, AMS ran the M100, M104 & Bx30.jrc |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Jun 5 11:02:32 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by northshore on Fri May 15 18:33:43 2015. Those route numbers 12 and 14 are in a brief news item tucked into the bottom left corner of page 9 of the NY Times, May 21, 1928. The headline is "Railway to Take Over Bronx Buses." "Bus service which the Fifth Avenue Coach Co. has provided since October, 1924, will be taken over by the Surface Transportation Co., a subsidiary of the Third Avenue Railway Co., beginning next Monday morning. Routes no. 12 and 14 are affected by this change. They run, respectively from Mott Avenue and 138th Street to Mosholu Parkway, and from 150th Street and Melrose Avenue to Mosholu Parkway." |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Jun 8 15:32:17 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015.  From Pinterest. Alexander's is in the background. The bus is a southbound Bx1 on the Grand Concourse at Fordham Road. I cannot guess the year, but the green paint job is an indication. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 8 16:04:35 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Mon Jun 8 15:32:17 2015. Nice. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Mon Jun 8 20:43:33 2015, in response to Re: Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Mon Jun 8 15:32:17 2015. #140 was a first generation fishbowl originally from the TA transferred to the OA. My guess some time around the mid 1970's. |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Jun 23 17:36:49 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. On March 10, 2012, Mr. Linsky published a clear advertising page from General Electric boasting of the efficiency of the Twin diesel-electric buses that Surface purchased in 1939. The bus signed for route 2 in the excellent color photo is 905.To find it, go to this link and scroll down the page to March 10, 2012. Link |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Jul 13 08:39:24 2015, in response to Bx1 and Bx2 on the Boulevard of Dreams, posted by Joe on Tue May 12 14:16:08 2015. The link below is to a Doug Grotjahn photo of ex-FACCO 3126 northbound on the Grand Concourse at the bus stop immediately north of Fordham Road. Most BusTalk Gallery photos may be enlarged. When enlarged, this clearly shows the red destination sign 231st ST & B'WAY. If I am not mistaken, Surface in the 1940's had red route signs and black destination signs, whereas FACCO had black route signs and sometimes red destination signs. |
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