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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by flyerD40LFR9710 on Tue Nov 19 19:50:42 2013, in response to Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 19 13:30:00 2013. I think they should give the route some time for the ridership to pick up. Whenever something new comes out, it takes a while for people to get used to it and see how it would fit into their commute. The same thing happened in DC a few years ago when they started their MetroExtra limited stop service. The first route, the 79, has gotten so much service that it was expanded with midday service at first and now runs on Saturdays. If they give it time like with the Bx12, M15, etc, the ridership will explode. |
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Re: B44 BusTime arrival times - LED sign pic |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Nov 19 20:17:10 2013, in response to Re: B44 BusTime arrival times - LED sign pic, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Nov 19 11:09:24 2013. I use Bus New York City. Great app, it's $3 but it's worth it. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Nov 19 20:19:07 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Nov 19 18:35:41 2013. I don't think so. I think the problem is with the AM Rush, as that northbound riders need to access the hospitals in central Brooklyn and the Nostrand/Fulton subway station. (FYI, the Bedford Ave exit should have been unsealed.) |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 19 20:57:53 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by flyerD40LFR9710 on Tue Nov 19 19:50:42 2013. ridership will be high anyway.its a substitute for a much needed subway line from north Brooklyn to south..the mapping tries to emulate such a service with the station spacing..subway connections blah blah blah..yet the elimination of the limited service has caused hardships that wouldn't even be noticed if the line was underground. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 07:59:42 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 19 17:23:47 2013. How do you know someone is an MTA worker? They always blame the public for the MTA's mistakes. Yes, there had to be so be confusion and complaints. But the MTA could have done more the publicize the details of the changes with bus riders during the past 30 days. Most riders are not in touch with their Community Boards, civic and business associations where all the MTA outreach was directed. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 08:09:49 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by flyerD40LFR9710 on Tue Nov 19 19:50:42 2013. Yes, the SBS will get more crowded over time and use of the local will decline. That's because SBS service is excellent while lcal service is poor. Common sense says if you run artics on the SBS and 40 footers on the locals. You will need two locals to every artic. But the MTA is running more SBSs than locals. So the SBSs are empty while the locals are so overcrowded that you may not even be able to get into the first one. So riders will end up walking a quarter-mile more when they get on and off the bus, although they won't want to, because it still will be quicker than waiting 15 to 20 minutes at times, and then have the bus skip your stop leaving you waiting for the next one. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 20 08:18:18 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by dkupf on Tue Nov 19 20:19:07 2013. I agree there...But is the MTA we're talking about here. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 20 09:20:36 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 19 14:22:48 2013. Why? |
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Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video) |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 10:37:57 2013, in response to "I think it's a bad idea." B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 02:29:06 2013. Would any B52, B54, B65, B31, B2 and B9 passengers transfering to a B44 local and then to a B44 SBS bus be charged another fare with a Pay-Per-Ride or Reduced Fare MetroCard? |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 12:20:37 2013, in response to "I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly." B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 20:14:25 2013. The MTA should have blanketed the route with workers at all stops providing assistance during the first week. The off-board fare collection is a big change for most riders. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 20 12:47:29 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 12:20:37 2013. It still is for the M15 SBS a few years after it was created. Most drivers are accomodating and wait for the passenger to get their receipt from the street side machine as long as it isn't a long wait. Then they board and it's away the bus goes.It's going to be this way for a LONG time. I have a feeling that the B/Os at FLAT aren't going to be this accomodating though. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 20 14:24:27 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 12:20:37 2013. Or, people need to learn to read. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 20 15:06:48 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 20 14:24:27 2013. Read? READ?! THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR A NEW YORKER!!! AHHH ::head explodes::lol |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 20 15:18:52 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 08:09:49 2013. Here is something that I do not understand.Some folks have been complaining about the inability to transfer between the SBS-B44 bus, to the regular local B44, and to transfer to another Brooklyn bus. Saying that the rider now has to pay two fares. On the MTA website it states that on a person's MetroCard (when swipped in a fare machine) contains a transfer, and also that a person can show the bus driver their printed ticket from the SBS bus fare machine to enter the bus. This really seems like a solve-able problem. So . . . why can't a person swipe their MetroCard as usual for the SBS B44 bus, use their printed ticket to gain entry on the usual B44 local bus, then use their MetroCard and its transfer on the third Brooklyn bus? Yes, it is a little "crafty", but if folks are gonna complain ... Just wondering. Yes, I know that there are folks that really do have to take three buses to get to their destinations. And yes, there will be kinks to work out with the new bus arrangements. Mike |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 17:14:53 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 20 14:24:27 2013. Is it so obvious, though? If the B44 stops are anything like the SBS stops I've used in Manhattan and the Bronx, it's not terribly obvious to the occasional user that a new fare-payment system is in effect. Given that the MTA will soon begin fining people for not following their new rules, I don't believe it's unreasonable for the agency to make the extra effort to help transition riders to the new way of doing things. |
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MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 17:15:15 2013, in response to "I think it's a bad idea." B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 02:29:06 2013. Select Bus Service came to Brooklyn on Monday as officials inaugurated the “super-express” service on the B44 bus, the city’s fifth-busiest bus line.The bus, which travels along Nostrand, Rogers and Bedford avenues, begins in Sheepshead Bay. It serves such important Brooklyn institutions as Brooklyn College, Medgar Evers College, Kings County Hospital and SUNY Downstate Hospital. It ends at Bridge Plaza in Williamsburg, where riders can transfer to other bus or subway lines. Select Bus service features “bus bulb” sidewalk extensions that allow passengers to enter more quickly. Perhaps most importantly, rather than swiping their MetroCards on the bus, riders use their cards to buy tickets on separate machines at the bus station, then carry their tickets onto the bus. Because they don’t have to pay at the front of the bus, explained Kevin Ortiz, a spokesperson for MTA New York City Transit, they can enter the bus at any one of three entryways – the front door, the back door or a door in the middle. Thus, more passengers can load onto the bus more rapidly. “The thing that slows buses down the most is drivers having to accommodate passengers swiping their MetroCards,” said Ortiz. “Paying before they board the bus can speed up bus time by 20 percent.” Of course, he said, the passengers need to hold on to their tickets -- they can be asked to show them while on the bus (as this writer was when he rode on a Select Bus route in the Bronx). Not everyone is cheering, however. The Select Bus Service on the B44 replaced an earlier, more conventional express bus service called the Limited B44. Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Flatbush) says when the Limited route was replaced, several former express stops, such as one serving Andries Hudde Junior High School between Avenues K and L, were eliminated. On Tuesday, Williams held a press conference to seek the restoration of these Limited bus stops. Ortiz responded that one of the points of Select Bus Service is to have fewer stops. People at stops such as the one between Avenues K and L will still be served by the local B44 route, he said. “Brooklyn’s first Select Bus Service route will serve our vibrant shopping district, and we welcome this investment in our neighborhood,” said Lindiwe Kamau, president of the Nostrand Avenue Merchants Association. “We’ve worked intensively with shop-owners, the DOT and MTA to ensure that the new service truly supports our local small businesses and we will continue to do so.” http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/select-bus-service-comes-brooklyn%E2%80%99s-b44-2013-11-20-133000 |
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NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 17:17:47 2013, in response to "I think it's a bad idea." B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 02:29:06 2013. ASSEMBLYWOMAN RHODA JACOBS CALLS ON THE MTA TO CONSIDER RESTORING VITAL BUS STOPS ON THE B44 SELECT BUS LINEDear Friends and Neighbors: In response to constituent concerns about the impact of the newly-implemented B44 Select Bus, which has eliminated several limited bus stops, I have reached out to the MTA to make sure that our communities' voices are heard. Please see below for the letter I drafted to the MTA, and do not hesitate to contact my office at 718-434-0446 if you have further concerns about this or any other issue. Sincerely, Rhoda S. Jacobs Assistant Speaker New York State Assembly "I am writing to express my concerns regarding impact on the Flatbush and Midwood communities of the newly implemented B44 Select Bus, which has eliminated several crucial bus stops on the B44 bus route. In particular, as my office continues to field complaints from constituents, I have significant concerns about the removal of the limited bus stop at Avenue L and Nostrand Avenue. The removal of this stop greatly limits travel options for a considerable number of riders, who would have to travel several avenues to either Avenue H or Kings Highway to catch the limited bus. Although faster bus service is certainly welcome, the benefit for some riders should not come at the expense of many others. This is particularly true of senior citizens, who make up a large portion of riders and for whom the bus is a lifeline. Furthermore, because the bus stop that has been eliminated is adjacent to Andries Hudde Junior High School (I.S. 240), its removal is expected to have a negative impact on local students, many of whom are too young to travel several avenues by themselves to get to the nearest limited bus stop. Once again, while our communities appreciate the MTA’s efforts to make bus service more efficient, we hope that you will take our input into account, and consider restoring this vital bus stop." http://ggi.r.mailjet.com/nl/0o2v/xxh8l.html?a=5H4hDb&b=37db6609&c=0o2v&d |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 20 18:11:16 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 17:14:53 2013. yes..trying to understand isnt that hard to do.. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by The silence on Wed Nov 20 18:24:38 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 07:59:42 2013. Except that the MTA could mail out a 20 page booklet to every address in the metro area and there would still be morons who will get confused. They went trough all the extra trouble getting thier seemed service changes to the public, and people just ignore them. Even normal operations confuse people.For about 30 years, my aunt commuted via Broad Street Station, and she didn't know until a few years ago that it's not open during the weekends. |
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Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 20 18:25:28 2013, in response to MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 17:15:15 2013. Not really. |
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Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 18:38:18 2013, in response to Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops, posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 20 18:25:28 2013. How so Brian Whineberg? |
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Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Nov 20 19:43:04 2013, in response to NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 17:17:47 2013. If a "Limited" or a "Select" makes every stop, then it's a local. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Nov 20 19:45:34 2013, in response to "I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly." B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 20:14:25 2013. "It wasn't explained properly."Translation: "I ignored the person who explained it because it was different from what I'm used to." |
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Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Wed Nov 20 20:01:53 2013, in response to MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 20 17:15:15 2013. The last thing you want are JHS and HS students on an SBS route(Most of them will treat as a free ride ) |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Nov 20 20:14:46 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 20 14:24:27 2013. It could also be people playing dumb in order to use the unofficial grace period for free rides. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Wed Nov 20 20:20:33 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Nov 20 19:45:34 2013. Alternate translation: "I ignored the person who explained it because they were telling me information I didn't like hearing." |
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Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by grand concourse on Wed Nov 20 20:59:08 2013, in response to Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops, posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Wed Nov 20 20:01:53 2013. Then what about Av H? there's also a bunch of school kids there as well. Can't help it that the kids are going to farebeat. That's what the eagle team is for. |
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Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video) |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 21:31:30 2013, in response to "I think it's a bad idea." B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 18 02:29:06 2013. What about passengers transfering from other routes such as the B9, B2,B100,B31,B54, B52 & B65 routes to the B44 local that need to access Williamsburg Bridge Plaza for one fare or just to a speedier SBS bus? The B44 local only goes as far as Flushing Avenue. Are these transferring passengers going to have another fare deducted when they swipe there MetroCard at these SBS fare payment machines since they are transfering a second time? |
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Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 21:32:56 2013, in response to Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Nov 20 19:43:04 2013. What about passengers transfering from other routes such as the B9, B2,B100,B31,B54, B52 & B65 routes to the B44 local that need to access Williamsburg Bridge Plaza for one fare or just to a speedier SBS bus? The B44 local only goes as far as Flushing Avenue. Are these transferring passengers going to have another fare deducted when they swipe there MetroCard at these SBS fare payment machines since they are transfering a second time? |
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Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 20 21:38:29 2013, in response to Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 21:31:30 2013. They ought to allow double transfers as you describe. |
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Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Wed Nov 20 22:07:51 2013, in response to Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 21:32:56 2013. most dont go from end to end |
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Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 20 22:18:07 2013, in response to Re: NYS Assemblywoman Jacobs calls MTA restore vital bus stops on B44 SBS, posted by R32_3672 on Wed Nov 20 22:07:51 2013. that wasnt the question he asked.what he did ask was a valid question.. what if someone did want to go to the bridge plaza..from a local station..and needed to catch the train from Marcy ave elevated station? |
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Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 20 23:07:28 2013, in response to Re: MTA offical response on B44 SBS not serving Avenue K and Avenue L stops, posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Wed Nov 20 20:01:53 2013. So you're telling me that this would be the only SBS stop in the whole city located next to a middle/high school? C'mon, man. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 20 23:11:01 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 20 15:18:52 2013. Further reading of the FAQ on the Select Bus Service answered my question.------------ Quoted Question & Answer What if I pay my Select Bus Service Fare at the Coin Fare Collection machine and then boards the Select Bus Service bus. If I want to transfer to a connecting local bus, how can I do that? This customer must enter the front door and show their receipt to the Bus Operator and request a transfer. The Bus Operator will issue a transfer ticket from the farebox. -------------- My Thoughts: Is the receipt from the Coin Fare Collection Machine DIFFERENT from the one is this issued from the MetroCard Fare Machine reciept. If they ARE DIFFERENT - then yes, another fare is needed for a third bus. Have to test out this theory one day! ------------ Quoted Question & Answer Can I use my SBS receipt on other bus routes? Can I use my SBS receipt to transfer to another SBS route? Your SBS receipt is valid only on the SBS route and bus stop where you purchased it. You cannot use your SBS receipt to board any other local, limited or SBS bus. For example, if you purchased a receipt for the Bx41 route, it cannot be used to transfer to the Bx12 SBS. You must obtain a new receipt from the Bx12 SBS bus stop where you plan to board. Insert the MetroCard you used to pay to board the Bx41 SBS as your free transfer is encoded on it; a receipt will be issued automatically. Or, if you paid with coins on the Bx41 SBS, you must have a transfer that was issued to you, upon request, by the Bx41 SBS operator. Insert that transfer into the Bx12 SBS MetroCard Fare Collector and a receipt will be issued automatically. -------- |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 23:41:56 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by The silence on Wed Nov 20 18:24:38 2013. Yes, people will always be confused and someone will still complain no matter what you do, but that doesn't make up for the fact that there weren't detailed maps on the buses with the start date one month before SBS started because that was what was required. Announcements for several days before that SBS would be starting was not sufficient. What if you don't ride the bus every day? People needed to know that buses would be using Rogers, your Limited stop might be removed, or you can no longer ride all the way from Williamsburg Bridge to Knapp Street on a single bus except between midnight and 6 or 7 AM.You needed to know that if you ride the B52 or B54 and want to go to Williamsburg, you must transfer for the local, then get off at Flushing Avenue and take te SBS and pay a second fare. Of course you could walk a quarter mile from Myrtle to Flushing or DeKalb, or from Gates to DeKalb to save a fare. But you won't know if no one tells you. Any wonder why there is so much confusion? |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 23:52:48 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 20 15:18:52 2013. The MetroCard does not give you a paper transfer. The card remembers the transfer just like when you take two local buses. You could pay with your MetroCard and tell te driver you paid by cash and ask for a paper transfer. You use the paper transfer on the next bus and your MetroCard on the third bus. If two hours have not passed since te first bus, your third bus is free. Now if the SBS driver asks to see your receipt and he can tell you did not pay by cash, he doesn't have to give you a paper transfer.The point is you shouldn't have to cheat the system to get one fare. It should be built into the system. Transit policy until 2010 was no service change will cause you to pay an extra fare. That policy needs to be reinstituted. It was quietly taken away without any public hearings and extra fares will become more prominent as more SBS routes are added. |
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Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 23:55:30 2013, in response to Re: ''I think it's a bad idea.'' B44 Select Bus Service ... (PIX-11 news video), posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Nov 20 10:37:57 2013. Yes, because you are taking two locals and an SBS bus. But you can take two SBS buses on the same route and then transfer for a local for one fare. It really gets complicated. Far too complicated. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 00:02:57 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Railbus63 on Wed Nov 20 17:14:53 2013. It is not obvious though. The sign says get ticket her lie off board payment is an option like on the railroads where you still can purchase a ticket on board for an extra fee. It needs to be made clear that it is a requirement not an option. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 00:07:06 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 20 12:47:29 2013. My friend got on the M34 and didn't know he had to pre pay. The driver explained the system to him and when he got off to buy his ticket, the driver took off so he ad to wait ten minutes for the next bus. When I took the M34 once, they used an extra bus that wasn't even wrapped in SBS colors. Very easy to mistake for a regular bus. The machines weren't even near where the bus stopped, but 30 feet behind it. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 21 01:07:31 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 20 23:11:01 2013. lol..looks like that places the SBS routes squarely in the two fare zone category...no need to use it if we are going to be charged an extra fare. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 21 01:43:01 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 20 23:52:48 2013. if the MTA knows about this issue..they aren't making any adjustments.this is a unfair tax on the riders for a service that didn't cause confusion BEFORE the new route took over. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 21 09:21:08 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 00:07:06 2013. Like I said...it's at the discretion of the driver...You'll get some good drivers...and some drivers that will pull away and don't give a damn if it's 25 degrees below zero, and you have to wait for the next one. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 09:26:08 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 21 09:21:08 2013. Why should the bus driver delay a whole bus full of people to accommodate one person who should have known better? SBS routes run pretty often in general don't they? So it shouldn't be a long wait for the next SBS bus. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 21 09:35:07 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 09:26:08 2013. It can be on the M15 SBS. Or near the end of the night (last bus from South Ferry is at 2300) and there's no guarantee of another SBS bus coming. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 10:33:24 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 21 09:35:07 2013. I'm ok with the bus driver waiting in unusual circumstances, like late at night or if he's already running a bit early or if he's carrying a very light load or if he knows about a gap behind him. But most of the time, in general, i don't think he should wait. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 10:59:29 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 10:33:24 2013. Agreed. It depends on the circumstances. But if the bus only had a and full of people on the bus, even if he is a minute late, waiting another minute won't kill him. After all it can take 5 minutes to load a wheelchair and everyone waits without complaining. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 11:10:09 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 10:59:29 2013. That's because the bus is required to accept the wheelchair. However the bus is not required to accept someone who hasn't paid their fare.It's not an issue of what the passengers are willing to put up with. It's an issue of creating a fair balance between delay to the passengers and delay to the uninformed prospective passenger. |
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Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 12:56:34 2013, in response to Re: Commuters want B44 stops restored to new SBS route (Avenue L stop), posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 21 01:43:01 2013. How could they not not have known after 5 years of planning? If they did not know, they are awful planners. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 12:58:52 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 11:10:09 2013. Actually, if someone does not have their fare, the driver can ask the passenger to get off, but cannot throw him off the bus. |
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Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 21 13:09:54 2013, in response to Re: ''I don't know how to use it, it wasn't explained properly.'' B44 SBS... (NY-1), posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 21 12:58:52 2013. No, actually, according to what had been stated here and in the media, if a person does not have their fare, the bus driver can/should remind the person to pay their fare. There is no directive that states he should ask the person to get off the bus.Regardless, that's not what I meant. I meant the bus is not required to make accommodations for someone who arrives without a fare (i.e. Someone who desires to pay the fare but can't for some reason [don't have exact change, or didn't read the SBS rules, etc.]). I wasn't talking about farebeaters. |
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