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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 1 13:38:44 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 11:00:09 2011. No, it is a true statement. Don't see my other post. No need to wait for you to admit you were wrong since you almost never do. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Jun 1 13:55:39 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 28 22:07:46 2011. I was about to say how the hell did you end up in metrocard ops?Its probably a dumping ground like the managers they send to Paratransit! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 16:52:40 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 1 12:40:38 2011. I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. If I didn't apologize in the past for what you call "errors in reasoning" it is because I didn't agree that they were errors.Now I remember the reason I stopped talking to you in the first place. I said I wasn't going to waste my time any more. We were having some type of discussion and you were the one who was going round in circles with his logic. We were getting nowhere. Now you are accusing me of what you were guilty of. Why is it that you can't seem to get along with so many on this board and I don't have any problems? Think about that. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 21:03:56 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:48:19 2011. Cool. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 21:11:22 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 1 03:15:55 2011. I just wish to give the S54 and S55/56 a chance to increase ridership and revenue, like they would in Boston, Philadelphia, and Toronto.I would only agree to elimination once this fails. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jun 1 22:04:02 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 21:11:22 2011. Not every route is going to be an all-star. I am comfortable leaving it as is until a workable configuration can be found. Strong bus routes are often fed by weak ones. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 1 22:51:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 21:11:22 2011. Ridership on the Staten Island bus routes have increased since the 1990s. The S79 is a prime example; frequency outside of rush hours was every half hour; now service outside of rush hours is every ten minutes and is the second heaviest-used bus route in Staten Island.Thing is, with the S55 and S56, they are glorified versions of school buses, as someone on here said. They run every 30 minutes and that does not include the school runs when school is in session, but they are the lowest-used bus routes that have not been discontinued in 2010. Bus routes get altered, frequencies get increased and bus types even change to respond to demand in the community for the service. The S44's old routing was between Saint George and Port Richmond but was rerouted to the Staten Island Mall; the S79 was rerouted to Brooklyn, and the S59 served Tottenville during the daytime (although Tottenville S59 service has significantly been reduced since the 1990s to run along Hylan Boulevard during rush hours, it still provides help to the S78 in the sectors between Eltingville and Tottenville. If the S56 didn't run the way it did, which is garbage, the route could be improved by extending it to Charleston along a corridor that never had access to public transportation before. Bloomingdale Road didn't have public transportation until the S55 was extended. There is room for improvement with the Staten Island bus network but the MTA is not doing anything to make it better other than just waste money on implementing +Select Bus Service on the S79 which really does not need it. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Thu Jun 2 03:32:56 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 1 22:51:15 2011. Bloomingdale Rd did have service before the 55 was extended; it's served by the 74, and has been for a few years longer than the 55. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 06:20:16 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Thu Jun 2 03:32:56 2011. the 'tard has been pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 06:41:46 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 16:52:40 2011. I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. Good call. Because since you're wrong and I'm right, you'd be wasting your time. If I didn't apologize in the past for what you call "errors in reasoning" it is because I didn't agree that they were errors. Obviously. And you were wrong. Blatantly so. Now I remember the reason I stopped talking to you in the first place. I said I wasn't going to waste my time any more. We were having some type of discussion and you were the one who was going round in circles with his logic. We were getting nowhere. No, my logic was fine. YOU were the one going in circles. You claimed to have stopped talking to me (a lie) because you couldn't bring any legitimate points to counter my sound arguments. Now you are accusing me of what you were guilty of. Uh, no. I'm accusing you of what I have accused you of all along - that you make errors and when you get called out on them, you just get all angry and argumentative instead of actually carefully considering what others have to say. Why is it that you can't seem to get along with so many on this board and I don't have any problems? Think about that. First of all, it's not "so many". There you go again with the errors. See? Second of all, the people I don't get along with are not worth getting along with. They are disgusting and mostly unintelligent individuals. The fact that you think you get along with them and agree with them is quite funny. |
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Posted by fdny on Thu Jun 2 07:10:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 06:41:46 2011. Can you all leave the bickering off this site please. And stay within the tranportation topics!!Grow up please |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 07:17:52 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by fdny on Thu Jun 2 07:10:38 2011. What bickering? Can you read? Trying reading back up the thread. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 2 09:14:12 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Thu Jun 2 03:32:56 2011. But that was only between Arthur Kill Road and Rossville Avenue...the S55 serves all of Bloomingdale and the southern end of the street is Amboy Road. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 2 09:14:36 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 06:20:16 2011. I can still hear a pin drop.... |
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Posted by mike nash on Thu Jun 2 09:26:05 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 1 22:51:15 2011. the south shore communities are not really intreasted in local service. all they want is quick and reliable express bus service. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 2 09:51:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by mike nash on Thu Jun 2 09:26:05 2011. That is true. Your post holds water. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 2 14:10:04 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by fdny on Thu Jun 2 07:10:38 2011. I won't even reply to him because it is useless. You are correct. This is no place for bickering. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 14:27:17 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 2 14:10:04 2011. So don't bicker. Make rational arguments based on logical reasoning, and honestly consider the opinions/views/arguments of others who do the same. It's very simple. |
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Posted by fdny on Thu Jun 2 15:47:09 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 14:27:17 2011. Thank you. |
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Article About This Thread |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 21:48:29 2011, in response to MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 26 03:36:39 2011. Here |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Jun 4 17:04:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 2 06:41:46 2011. They are disgusting and mostly unintelligent individuals.What? Are you talking about the Weinburg family reunion, again? STILL LOL@BREE AND THE FAMILY TREE |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Jun 4 19:51:13 2011, in response to Article About This Thread, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 21:48:29 2011. Great article! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jun 9 15:49:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:57:41 2011. Sorry to bring up a week-old thread, but for the record the bus stop signage south of Sheepshead Bay Station shows only local B49s stopping there, southbound. |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:49:13 2011, in response to MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 26 03:36:39 2011. Fron Allan Rosen aka BrooklynBus, of the blog Sheepsheadbites.com:"...with the elimination of many bus routes last year,...direct connections between neighborhoods have been severed, increasing the number of buses required for some trips from two to three and hence, an extra fare. Those additional fares have also...encouraged more trips to be made by subway or car service or not at all, affecting buses greater than subways. "While obvious to users of the system, these reasons remain a mystery to managers making $100,000-plus at the MTA...." Allan was one of the few managers (you were, weren't you?) at NYCT that had common sense. But he has since retired--got out while the getting was good--in order to openly criticize the MTA and its subsidiaries of their myopic mistakes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 21:25:13 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:49:13 2011. I'm not making any comments about managers with common sense. And I didn't get out to "openly criticize" the MTA. I retired because I wasn't allowed to work in the area where my expertise is the greatest for 22 of the 25 years I was there. It is difficult trying to criticize the MTA while you are working there and it is also a violation of MTA ethics if you do. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 10 08:30:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 21:25:13 2011. I'm not making any comments about managers with common sense. And I didn't get out to "openly criticize" the MTA. Like I said, dkupf has been almost completely wrong about you. Why don't you two get your stories straight before you post?? |
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Posted by dkupf on Fri Jun 10 19:30:53 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 21:25:13 2011. I know that you didn't retire in order to criticize the MTA. You wanted to make a difference, restructure bus service for the greater good based on your Master's Thesis.Retiring, however, allows you to speak your mind, and openly critique the MTA and their subsidiaries for their mistakes and missed opportunities to increase ridership and revenue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 10:50:40 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 10 08:30:37 2011. Why don't you just stop commenting on BusChat? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 10:55:43 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jun 9 15:49:01 2011. But the Guide-a-Ride Maps ahow that Limiteds make all stops south of Sheepshead Bay. I really don't think it is necessary for them to put up Limited signs south od Sheepshead Bay since they are locals at that point. Those signs are for boarding passengers not for passengers getting off. If you want to criticize, then criticize DOT for posting the B4 sign and map at the Sheepshead Bay stop although the B49 stops there, not the B4. And that isn't the only stop with outdated signs at bus shelters. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 14:33:39 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 10:55:43 2011. I'd rather criticize them for installing bus stop shelters three blocks from the last outbound stop in the outbound direction. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Jun 11 15:50:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 14:33:39 2011. Don't they have a contract with some company thats actually installing the stops? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 15:53:29 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Jun 11 15:50:01 2011. The company, CEMUSA, I believe does not decide where to put the shelters. I believe the Community Boards recommend locations, and if there is enough room at that location, the shelter gets erected. Unfortunately, many people on those boards are not familiar enough with the bus routes to know where they should go. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 15:57:42 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 14:33:39 2011. I agree.They won't put one in a quarter-mile from the terminus in the outbound direction, but in many cases it makes no sense to put one in even a half-mile away unless the terminus is a at a major transfer point. I also will criticize them for tearing down perfectly good shelters to put in the new ones when there are still so many locations without shelters that can use one and have the space to accommodate one. I also don't understand why they couldn't install triple or quadruple shelters at Kings Plaza. Singles or doubles are just inadequate for the crowds there. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sat Jun 11 16:34:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 15:53:29 2011. There are several shelters on Staten Island that leave me wondering why they were installed. Like the one on Forest Ave, adjacent to Home Depot. The only route it serves is the s40, which ends just past this stop where it loops around the Goethals Bridge ramp.Just like guide-a-rides behind the mall that had schedules installed for the 55/56...heading TO the mall! |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sat Jun 11 16:36:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 11 15:57:42 2011. They may have the space to accommodate a shelter, but there are often issues with property, as well.There is also a law, it certainly affects Staten Island, but it may affect the rest of the city as well, where parkland cannot be taken without the replacement of equivalent parkland. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Jun 11 18:17:54 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Sat Jun 11 16:34:34 2011. The MTA should Hire me and I'll take whatever money they're wasting on nonsense like this and save them some money. |
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Posted by dkupf on Sat Jun 11 23:01:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Jun 11 18:17:54 2011. I have long felt the same way. But they won't, because, unlike them, we give a damn. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 4 08:57:13 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by fdny on Thu Jun 2 15:47:09 2011. Thank you. You're welcome. Take Pride,
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