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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Wed Jun 8 20:16:40 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 17:38:00 2011. What helps personal vehicles move around quicker helps buses move quicker too. The last major highway improvement out here was the bus lane on the Staten Island Expressway, and part of the current improvements is extending that lane the length of the highway. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 21:16:06 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 8 09:15:42 2011. But, there are more people going to the SI Mall than New Dorp.All I ask is to try it before eliminating service. It would give New Springville a direct link to Seaview Hospital, though, I admit, these riders are few and far between. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 21:22:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Wed Jun 8 20:16:40 2011. Which was long overdue anyways. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 8 21:43:37 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 21:16:06 2011. If you were to have the S54 extended to the mall what would the routing be like? |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 22:01:11 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Jun 8 13:08:08 2011. The Bx50 would be not LGA-Fordham, but Flushing-Fordham.The now-discontinued Q75 via Cloverdale Blvd to Queensborough CC. I forgot, what was the Q94 proposal? |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 22:07:24 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 8 21:43:37 2011. Southbound routing: current routing, Brielle Av, Rockland Av, Richmond Av, Ring Rd, Platinum Av, Richmond Av, Arthur Kill Rd, Giffords Ln, then current routingNorthbound would be the reverse. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:17:54 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 12:38:49 2011. Actually, you do see a decent number of people waiting for (I assume) the S40 at South Avenue/Brabant Street. Anybody who has any experience riding the S46 regularly knows that it is slow because of all the turns in makes, and crowded because of all of the high school students using it. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:19:46 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 8 15:36:24 2011. How so? Ridership-wise? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:22:26 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 8 12:49:30 2011. Aside from Annadale, the other areas are pretty walkable, unless you lived in New Springville before the SI Mall was built. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:24:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 14:56:25 2011. I see a decent number of people getting on along Castleton Avenue, going towards Mariners' Harbor. I don't think much would change from moving a couple of blocks south. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:27:00 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Jun 8 13:08:08 2011. Those don't affect Staten Island, though (except for the X22 Super Express, which could still be done in a cost-neutral way).I think that most of the buses that serve the Park-and-Ride in the morning should just make their next stop Arthur Kill Road, and then Victory Blvd. Between riders in Tottenville, Pleasant Plains, Arden Heights, and Travis, those buses should almost be full. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:29:15 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 22:01:11 2011. The Bx50 would be LGA-Fordham via the Triborough Bridge. The Q94 would be the one from Flushing-Fordham. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:33:41 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:17:54 2011. Actually, you do see a decent number of people waiting for (I assume) the S40 at South Avenue/Brabant Street.The S40 seems to get most of its riders in that area from the stops at South Avenue/Richmond Terrace and South Avenue/Arlington Place. Anybody who has any experience riding the S46 regularly knows that it is slow because of all the turns in makes, and crowded because of all of the high school students using it. That bus is slow because of the turns in Mariners Harbor & the amount of stops it makes in Port Richmond/West Brighton along Castleton Avenue. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:36:55 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:24:23 2011. It wouldn't change, but it's still less prevalent than the amount of people going to the Mall. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Wed Jun 8 22:51:16 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:22:26 2011. i'm not that old!Yes, except for Annadale, everything was in walking distance, though I wouldn't have walked around the Harbor area... |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 22:56:50 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:29:15 2011. I remember now: the Bx50 was Flushing-Fordham via the Q44, Tremont Av, and 3 Av.There was no mention of the Q94. Q76 and Q77 would have had 7-day-a-week service. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 8 23:56:18 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 8 22:07:24 2011. That's an incredibly unwieldy route. If they reroute it to the mall, and it's a bad idea, it should terminate there. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 00:51:50 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:33:41 2011. I always see at least 2-4 people waiting at the Brabant Street stop. The same for the Forest Avenue stop.I know why the S46 is slow. It has turns on narrow streets in the area from Mariners' Harbor to Port Richmond. Plus, between the traffic lights and high-use stops on Castleton Avenue, it goes slow in West Brighton as well. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 9 02:27:11 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 00:51:50 2011. Yeah you'll see a couple of people waiting for the S40 at Brabant Street, but the S46 is still popular with Mariners Harbor Houses residents despite how slow it is and how close the S40 is. Yeah I said that. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 04:44:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 8 23:56:18 2011. Yeah best have it run along the S44 route after Rockland Avenue towards the mall if anythingThe S54 to the Mall doesn't seem like a bad idea, but I'm worried it will duplicate the S61 route to an extent as they would be running blocks apart. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 04:51:46 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 8 22:19:46 2011. Ridership to an extent, but mostly the fact that when I wait in Bulls Head for the S89 to go to the mall (in both instances during a.m. and p.m. rush hours) the bus would come when it wanted to and not stick with the schedule. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Thu Jun 9 04:57:43 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 04:44:45 2011. Exactly why it's a bad idea. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jun 9 10:14:35 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 9 02:27:11 2011. The S46 and S40 are not really close. They're about a good 15-20 city blocks away and serve the same neighborhoods but different parts of it. The SI bus map isn't to scale. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 10:53:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jun 9 10:14:35 2011. All of the NYC bus maps are fairly accurate. The same goes for the Staten Island bus map except for the Saint George Terminal inset.Depending what part of the North Shore you are in the bus routes are close. Between Arlington and West Brighton the S40 and S46 are within walking distance but east of Broadway, Richmond Terrace and Castleton Avenue start spreading apart. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:14:04 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 10:53:42 2011. Plus, they start becoming separated by parks and streets that don't connect. The S44 is fairly close to the S40, though. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:14:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 9 02:27:11 2011. But do you know that they are necessarily going to St. George? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:16:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Wed Jun 8 22:51:16 2011. Depending on which part of Mariners' Harbor you lived in, I would say it is fairly safe to walk around. I've walked around the areas south of the train tracks and east of about Union Avenue without any problems. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:19:07 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jun 9 10:14:35 2011. Like LRG said, all of the bus maps are to scale. And I've walked between the S40 and S46 in different parts of the North Shore and they are nowhere near 15-20 blocks apart (except east of West Brighton, as LRG said). I've seen some of my friends go straight for the S40 when they missed the S46. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:22:16 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 04:51:46 2011. I've seen that happen as well. In the AM, the S89 often comes late going southbound, whereas in the PM, it often comes early. I guess the drivers figure that nobody really "depends" on the S89 (since the S44 and S59 also serve the area), so it doesn't matter what time they come. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 19:39:01 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 19:14:04 2011. Exactly! |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:14:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Thu Jun 9 04:57:43 2011. But better than cutting it back to Seaview Hospital or eliminating it. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 20:47:31 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:14:23 2011. Right now the route needs to be shortened so weekend service could be reinstated north of Seaview Hospital for the meantime. For what it's worth that's the only cost-neutral way that Manor Road could at least have some sort of service than no service on weekends, because there are poor alternatives for the S54 on weekends (no other buses operate along Manor Road; no other buses operate along Giffords Lane). At least by shortening the route off-peak, the alternatives south of Seaview Hospital are fairly adequate. The only streets that would not have service is Giffords Lane and Nelson Avenue but it's been stressed enough that an S79A Giffords Lane branch could fill in that void, again being a cost-neutral alternative. |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:52:54 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 20:47:31 2011. The other option is to use the "expected increase" in revenue generated from sending the route via the SI Mall to operate the service on weekends. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 21:02:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Thu Jun 9 20:52:54 2011. It's not that simple as it is to type it on a computer screen. There has to be adequate demand to reroute or extend the bus route. You cannot just twist around the service in hopes of getting people to ride it, because what if they don't ride it? Then that's money thrown away. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 22:36:05 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 9 21:02:23 2011. Exactly. The problem is that the S54 runs close to more frequent routes that serve the SI Mall: On the North Shore, it runs near the S44, and it also runs near the S61. Even with a transfer, it will still (generally) be faster to use those other routes. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:01:52 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Thu Jun 9 04:57:43 2011. Just STFU you fucking idiot. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jun 10 12:09:30 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:01:52 2011. Is that really necessary? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:12:28 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jun 10 12:09:30 2011. yup |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jun 10 12:15:06 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:12:28 2011. Ummmmmmm, ok then................... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:38:27 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jun 10 12:15:06 2011. alrighty then |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:43:11 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:38:27 2011. mind ya business |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 14:14:12 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jun 9 22:36:05 2011. So it should be cut back to Seaview Hospital, it's original terminus as the 110. It was extended to replace the 4 when they changed the routing. But few people ride it along Giffords and Nelson. The wait between buses is such that walking is generally faster from the train station. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 14:17:13 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 12:43:11 2011. Hush, child. Get some life experience, then get back to me. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 15:28:44 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 14:17:13 2011. Shut up bitch, go admire some more of my fabolous posts. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 15:55:43 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 15:28:44 2011. Your mom know that you're using such language on the Internet? She ought to wash your mouth out with soap... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 15:59:52 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 15:55:43 2011. Lol, keep trying bitch, learn what your master taught you when he roasted that ass. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 16:47:22 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 15:59:52 2011. Ok, go back to pretending to be somebody, drawing pretend lines on a map; you've made it clear you lack the intelligence to make anything more of your life than to live and play in your little fantasy land. Like the child you are. Your parents must be so proud of a kid with no goals in life other than to ride every bus line end to end. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:50:55 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 16:47:22 2011. Lol my bitch is mad, how adorable. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:52:41 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:50:55 2011. Keep admiring me bitch. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 16:53:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:52:41 2011. You're really full of yourself. Go back to your momma. |
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