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Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 17:39:29 2011 New city buses need ADA retrofitOahu Transit Services and the city Department of Transportation are working to remedy a situation that has put dozens of bus seats off limits. "When we have an ADA violation, we take it very seriously," OTS president Roger Morton said. Last year the city bought 24 buses from Nova Bus, the second largest bus builder in the world. The fleet cost about $10 million. But the buses fail to meet minimum requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. "The manufacturer has put the seats on the (front) wheel well. And in so doing he has a movable step to get up to the wheel well. That step is what intrudes onto the clear area," Morton said. "It folds up and folds down. But even in the up position it interferes with some of the maneuvering of the wheelchairs," city Transportation Director Wayne Yoshioka said. A passenger discovered the flaw when she tried to board the bus in a motorized wheelchair. "Those tend to be larger than the standard wheelchair. And it's usually those guys who have problems if it's very tight," Yoshioka said. OTS measured and found the entrance wasn't wide enough. As a temporary solution to meet ADA rules it removed the foot rest so wheelchairs can get by. "Except for this flaw that we need to correct, it's been a very popular bus," Morton said. The city has ordered Nova Bus to fix the problem free of charge. "They're going to make modifications to take care of it. And it will be rectified by mid-July. It will be all taken care of," Yoshioka said. In the meantime, three seats up front on each bus have been blocked off with a metal bar until the retrofits are complete. The 24 buses are on the road assigned to eight different routes. Source: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14643314/new-city-buses-need-ada-retrofitting |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research {VIDEO} |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 18:07:01 2011, in response to Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 17:39:29 2011. News video report: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/6743/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5849970 |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 19:21:07 2011, in response to Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 17:39:29 2011. This is major The Bus fail. Save for 30' Gilligs (with smaller tires/wheelwheels), what agency anywhere in the US or Canada has tried to put 3 seats on the front wheelwell? |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat May 14 19:40:56 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 19:21:07 2011. I'm quite sure Nova didn't put the seats there on their own, and I'll bet dollars to donuts they were spec'd like that by the suits in Honolulu. Any other LFS I've ever seen never had seats placed there. They're making NOVA fix their blunder! |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 14 19:42:03 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 19:21:07 2011. Why did Nova Bus not inform The Bus that the option was not available? |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sat May 14 20:12:57 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat May 14 19:40:56 2011. It is also the responsibility of the manufacturer to make sure that their buses meet ADA requirements, which is a key component of all tenders. |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sat May 14 20:13:28 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 19:21:07 2011. Lots of them have... |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 21:36:58 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by daimlerbuses on Sat May 14 20:13:28 2011. Who? Proof? |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun May 15 00:26:48 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 14 21:36:58 2011. Strathcona Transit: CIT Roussillon: 
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun May 15 00:35:43 2011, in response to Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 17:39:29 2011. While the news report does not state what the effective width is between the "problematic" seats, it does suggest one possible issue for which this might not be a problem. It seems as though the issue was raised for a motorized wheelchair, which "tend to be larger than the standard wheelchair." But ADA only requires that standard wheelchairs be accommodated for a service to be considered accessible. According to the FTA regulations at 49 C.F.R. Part 38, Subpart B, and Access Board guidelines, a space needs to be 30 inches wide in order to accommodate a standard wheelchair. Wheelchairs that require a greater width are not standard, and there is no obligation to accommodate their users under the regulations.Speculating, I wonder if Nova Bus used the 30-inch guideline, and then the transit system got upset when a non-standard wheelchair (i.e., a motorized wheelchair) could not navigate. If this speculation is correct, and the Nova Bus contract is just to meet ADA specifications, then it should be the transit system and/or the disabled person who is out of luck, not the manufacturer. |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research {VIDEO} |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 15 00:39:28 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research {VIDEO}, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 14 18:07:01 2011. LOL ... the video caption 'Bad Buses' appears with a picture of a New Flyer LFR instead! |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 15 01:30:26 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun May 15 00:26:48 2011. pwn3d |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 15 01:30:33 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by daimlerbuses on Sat May 14 20:13:28 2011. pwn3d |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun May 15 07:09:20 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sun May 15 00:26:48 2011. I was asking about US agencies. Canada has their own rules about disabled access, that is if the provinces themselves care. |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun May 15 07:11:13 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 15 01:30:26 2011. Not pwn3d. The examples he gave were not from the US.I always have wondered why an ADA-like law has never been passed on a nationwide level in Canada. Some progressives they are... |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sun May 15 12:41:03 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sun May 15 07:09:20 2011. Except that your statement said..."This is major The Bus fail. Save for 30' Gilligs (with smaller tires/wheelwheels), what agency anywhere in the US or Canada has tried to put 3 seats on the front wheelwell?" |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sun May 15 13:29:21 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sun May 15 07:11:13 2011. what agency anywhere in the US or Canada has tried to put 3 seats on the front wheelwell? |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sun May 15 13:32:52 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by BusMgr on Sun May 15 00:35:43 2011. Some transit agencies...well at least for OCTA and LACMTA, send some of their lead mechanics to bus manufurer assembly lines to make sure their orders meet or exceed their specifications.Speculating, I wonder if Nova Bus used the 30-inch guideline, and then the transit system got upset when a non-standard wheelchair (i.e., a motorized wheelchair) could not navigate. If this speculation is correct, and the Nova Bus contract is just to meet ADA specifications, then it should be the transit system and/or the disabled person who is out of luck, not the manufacturer. |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 16 03:44:54 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by Scrabbleship on Sun May 15 07:11:13 2011. OMG...scrableship knocking Canada?....say it ain't so. |
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Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 16 12:10:28 2011, in response to Re: Honolulu The Bus' Nova Bus LFS (40 ft) fleet hits with ADA violation; FAIL research, posted by daimlerbuses on Sun May 15 12:41:03 2011. pwnt by his own words... |
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