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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Jul 13 01:50:55 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Jul 11 20:20:35 2010. Because they do not include the PowerPoint presentations in the PDF.You have to watch the boring video at that link for May 2010 CPOC: http://mta.info/mta/webcasts/archive.htm |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Jul 13 05:23:46 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 00:28:13 2010. Personally I loved them but trying to get the operators to take them was hard, especially the younger operators who never operated them.Now that we are 100% hybrid I'm starting to get whiners who don't want the 6300/6400's cause they are slow. I tell them no more BS, we are 100% hybrid! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:01:46 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:11:13 2010. Did the JG O5s also receive a complete overhaul/repaint/tank replacement/powertrain replacement in 2003? They could technically go another 5 years based on the tanks...if the bus bodies hold up, as all of the diesels from the same time bought by the MTA are retired. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:24:45 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Jul 13 05:23:46 2010. Now that we are 100% hybrid I'm starting to get whiners who don't want the 6300/6400's cause they are slow.And they ride like shit too...yes, they're older now, but they rode like shit even when brand new... |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:27:46 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:01:46 2010. I believe they did...or else they would have suffered the fate of their diesel-powered sisters, but again, JG's routes aren't heavy on the buses as some of the other garages with O5s, like in The Bronx or Staten Island... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:29:39 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:27:46 2010. From the later batch in that (the higher 500-series diesels), the MTA only got just under 14 years from those buses...the 1990 TMCs went almost 20. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:31:27 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jul 13 01:50:54 2010. Thank you, I'm just telling it like I see it...it's people like DaRidgewoodBusBuff that, not to undermine his intelligence or think lesser of him, but needs to see things from other perspectives and learn to accept what he cannot change... he surely is entitled to his opinion about FP and getting hand-me-downs, but somebody has to have them, and LGA, 126, WF, and at one time YUK, have been in that situation many a time before.It is what it is... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:35:30 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:11:13 2010. Hold on---the Bx5 was out of Walnut (despite the north end being closer to Gun Hill than the southern end to Walnut) until Walnut closed (after 1990)?Was the route ever out of Coliseum before that garage closed? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:36:30 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:03:25 2010. I just realized an error in that post, I meant to say Manhattan, not Manhattanville...I spotted #9221 sitting at 126th/Lexington, and I smiled (even though it was delegated to the M35), good to see it again, especially out of 126th, where to my recollection that particular bus ORIGINATED (I think 126th had 9187-9226 back in 1996)... |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:42:26 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:35:30 2010. When I was living in The Bronx, Walnut had the following:Bx4, Bx5, Bx6, Bx11, Bx15, Bx17, Bx19, Bx21, Bx27, Bx32, Bx35, Bx36 When Walnut closed, which was around 1996-1997, the Bx5 was transferred to GH. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:47:36 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:42:26 2010. Ah, I also forgot that Kingsbridge was closed during much of that time. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:23:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:31:27 2010. I take back what I said about some of the 1996 Novas. The 9200s at UP are fine last time I was n their routes. 9075-9249 came out in the later part of 1996 while the rest came earlier. That set should get kept around at least.Still, my bashing of FP will never stop, maybe until their next bus order comes in, if ever. Until it learns to get better, and stop getting the oldest hand-me-downs. Its not the hand-me-downs themselves but the disproportion of the whole system overall, if everywhere had a similar average age, it wouldn't better me. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:31:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 18:29:00 2010. Those KB 8800 survived by pure luck, I'm absolutely positive they will survive next couple of months. ENY's 8830 is already in storage. It's only a matter of time. Also 8808 from LGA, is now in storage. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:33:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 18:29:00 2010. Those KB 8800 survived by pure luck, I'm absolutely positive they won't survive next couple of months. ENY's 8830 is already in storage. It's only a matter of time. Also 8808 from LGA, is now in storage.Ignore my first post. I meant to say won't. This site seriously needs an edit feature. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 10:44:45 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:33:22 2010. A lot of 1996 Novas are in storage already; this is around when the worst of a batch begins to drop. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 10:45:19 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:33:22 2010. If you think Kingsbridge is bad---what about LaGuardia? Those buses get torn up on almost every route. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 10:58:56 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:23:22 2010. Well, that's why buses are moving around at such a fast rate, because as all these new buses are coming in, they have to find ways to balance out the average fleet age. There are some garages that, though FP has a high AFA, have a much higher AFA than even FP does...I mean, Grand Avenue before the O7s came in, had buses from 1990-1993 still running! All while FP received all those O7 OGs, which at one point made up half the garage. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 10:59:52 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 10:58:56 2010. Not to mention bus operators, dispatchers, and even GM/AGMs of garages not wanting certain equipment in their garages for one reason or another, whether it's their decision or not... |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 13 12:20:37 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 09:01:46 2010. Majority of the MTA buses that were repower and overhaul by Blitz Bus & Truck now call Bus & Truck of Chicago.JG's Orion V CNG really was an extensive overhaul and probably the bodies have been held up really well long with no rust expose exterior side unlike their sister counterpart. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 13 12:23:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 11 22:53:49 2010. I agree, the 2003-2004 Orion VII CNG units are POS and needs to be repower. They are fucking loud and slow. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Jul 13 12:58:15 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 09:24:45 2010. Sometimes I move buses around the building and I have found that the front ends of the hybrids seem loose and wobbly. Never had that with a RTS.I always new that the Orion products diesal or hybrid would never come close to the records the RTS set in total years in service. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Jul 13 17:55:59 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Jul 13 10:31:22 2010. Hey ridgewood WHAT IS YOUR POINT???? SO WHAT IF 8808 is in storage?????? LGA still has 8807 and its doing FINE!!!!! SHUT UP ALREADY GET OVER IT!!!! |
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Posted by JCL on Tue Jul 13 21:50:40 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Jul 13 01:48:38 2010. Just so I'm clear - the May 2010 CPOC Meeting you're referring to is May 24, 2010 CPOC Meeting, correct? |
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Posted by JCL on Tue Jul 13 21:57:18 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Jul 13 01:48:38 2010. Just so I'm clear - the May 2010 CPOC Meeting you're referring to is May 24, 2010 CPOC Meeting, correct? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 14 00:33:05 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JCL on Tue Jul 13 21:57:18 2010. Yes... |
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Posted by OrionVIIdieselbus on Wed Jan 12 01:09:18 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 11 22:53:49 2010. Orion VII Bus #7691 got repowered with Cummins ISL-G.I saw a video: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26334 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jan 12 07:04:14 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by OrionVIIdieselbus on Wed Jan 12 01:09:18 2011. 
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jan 12 07:45:22 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by OrionVIIdieselbus on Wed Jan 12 01:09:18 2011. From what I seen in this video, I like it!It would be nice if they test an ISL in the NF Artics. |
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Posted by OrionVIIdieselbus on Wed Jan 12 19:19:29 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jan 12 07:45:22 2011. On NYCTF someone saw RTS Bus #5055 with a new tailpipe and said it sounded different. I'm not sure whats going on.Since the MTA is planning to refurbish or is currently to 1999 NOVABUS RTS then maybe they should repower them with Cummins ISL engine as well. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 12 19:30:07 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by OrionVIIdieselbus on Wed Jan 12 19:19:29 2011. Those buses are 12 years old, however...and the MTA typically replaces diesel buses on a 15-year cycle. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 12 20:22:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 11 12:00:35 2010. UD figured that out for the new Gilligs. $350,000 vs $650,000 per bus |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jan 12 20:56:06 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 12 20:22:10 2011. University of Delaware has new Gilligs? Opuses, Gilligs...gosh I'm long overdue for a trip down to Newark! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jan 12 20:59:16 2011, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. – MUCH CHEAPER then diesel electric hybrid bus ($175,000+ price difference per bus); plus you do not need to change/replace batteries, for lead acid is 2 to 3 years and lithium-ion is about 6 years, added weight with the hybrid components, higher maintenance cost. What wonderful savings!!!!I wonder if SEPTA and WMATA will ever figure this out. SEPTA plans to have a 100% hybrid bus fleet, and WMATA is close on its heels. Very interesting information! Thanks for sharing this. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jan 13 02:01:48 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 18:31:40 2010. The Bee lines at LGA are dropping dead hence 119 & 120 are SCRAP!!! 120 has Frame rot whats that tell you? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jan 13 02:04:35 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:36:27 2010. Gimme a 1996 Nova anyday!!! The Hybrids SCRAP EM!!!! |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jan 13 02:07:54 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 13 10:45:19 2010. 9528 & 9529 are alive and well in QV. |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Jan 13 03:14:50 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jan 13 02:01:48 2011. look at the date, 6 months reply?the hand me down Orion V wont even last another year or two. they can destroy it. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jan 13 06:42:17 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jan 12 20:59:16 2011. Washington D.C. also does not have as extensive of CNG capacity which plays a role. Also you have the stronger political pressure for hybrids |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 13 09:23:33 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jan 13 06:42:17 2011. Oh yes, the politics must come into play quite a bit with WMATA's bus purchases. I think they were still planning on expanding their CNG program though...the new depot that's replacing the Southeastern Garage is supposed to have CNG capabilities if I'm not completely mistaken.More CNG buses would be good for WMATA...I think Bladensburg has the capacity for more of these buses. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Jan 13 09:43:57 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 13 09:23:33 2011. Politics come in less for WMATA bus purchases than you'd think, if it did they definitely wouldn't have bought LFA's for the additional cost versus an LFR. The only time it came into question with a purchase was with the Orion II's and that was because D(C)DOT owned them and leased them to WMATA.Jurisdictions declining to participate in certain orders/programs is more common. Then-governor Ehrlich getting WMATA to cancel plans to make Montgomery a CNG division and DC/MD opting out of the 9800-series Flxible order due to funds are the two that come to mind. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 13 09:51:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Jan 13 09:43:57 2011. I dunno...aren't the examples that you provided showing how political the orders are. Governor Ehrlich said he doesn't want Montgomery to do CNG and instead go with Clean Diesels and hybrids...which is intriguing.The LFA doesn't surprise me. DC did, after all, build an extravagant Metrorail system when it would have been "cheaper" to build and run a typical subway. Heck they didn't even want to call it the subway because it had a bad connotation, showing dirt, grime, crime, etc. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jan 14 11:43:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 13 09:51:27 2011. The BRT-styled buses (and the new paint scheme) at WMATA came along because the old GM, Catoe liked "buses with some curves". While the new paint schemem looks good, I think it and the extra cost for BRT styling is a big waste of money. |
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