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Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by kingsbridge on Sun Nov 1 23:38:16 2009

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Taken sometime in 1992

8051 Bx24 1992

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:44:53 2009, in response to Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by kingsbridge on Sun Nov 1 23:38:16 2009.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Nov 1 23:50:23 2009, in response to Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by kingsbridge on Sun Nov 1 23:38:16 2009.

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I really miss that old style of numbers. I hate the font used today.
I recently noticed that Baltimore uses this font on their lightrail system.

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Re: Photo 9284 on the Bx24

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:51:40 2009, in response to Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by kingsbridge on Sun Nov 1 23:38:16 2009.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 00:25:03 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:44:53 2009.

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What was the purpose of the X61? Wasn't it competing directly with the BxM3?

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 00:25:52 2009, in response to Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by kingsbridge on Sun Nov 1 23:38:16 2009.

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Nice! That's when those 8000s were new. I remember that KB had gotten 8034-8079 and of course the original KB soon closed and most of KB buses went over to the newly opened Gun Hill.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 00:30:57 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 00:25:03 2009.

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The X61 was pretty much a truncated version of the BxM3 (in the Bronx), but it served lower Manhattan. I do recall seeing KB's '81 RTSs and Grumman 870s doing X61 trips, but if that Flx made a trip... they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 2 00:31:39 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 00:25:52 2009.

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Anybody have a complete list of which RTS buses were originally assigned to each depot. This stuff interests me a lot.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by B53RICH on Mon Nov 2 18:55:26 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:44:53 2009.

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I think FP received 7349 sometime after that photo was taken.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by B53RICH on Mon Nov 2 19:02:55 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 2 00:31:39 2009.

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Here are some FP originals:

1257-1266
PA1481-PA1516
4071-4151

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:23:10 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 00:30:57 2009.

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GMC RTS-04 #1854-1858 were the "X61" buses.

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Re: Photo 9284 on the Bx24

Posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:24:29 2009, in response to Re: Photo 9284 on the Bx24, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:51:40 2009.

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...and in its later years finished out at Jamaica. I remember seeing that bus on the Q17.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:31:17 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 2 00:31:39 2009.

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Queens Village received:

1982 GMC RTS-04 #1757-1770 (X18 now X68 buses)
Even though GMC RTS-04 #1768-1770 went to Fifth Av (Jackie Gleason today), I do remember seing GMC RTS-04 #1770 on the X18 flying (I mean cruising) along Hillside Av.

1983 GMC RTS-04 #3001-3023 and #3171-3204?

1990 TMC RTS-06 #8340-8396 (YES ALL 57 OF THEM)
TMC RTS-06 #8340-8350 went to Mother Clara Hale for testing a "Cleaner" engine or something. TMC RTS-06 #8351 and #8353-8354 went to Manhattanville for what I call a "WTF?" reason.

1997-1998 NovaBus RTS-06 #9350-9381
I could have sworn I've seen NovaBus RTS-06 #9382-9383 operating on the Q36 but whatever.

1999 NovaBus RTS-06 #4900, #4902-4944
NovaBus RTS-06 #4901 debuted in Kingsbridge.

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X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 19:32:11 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Nov 1 23:44:53 2009.

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What Bus Route was THAT?!?!!!!!!

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 19:38:19 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 2 00:31:39 2009.

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I recall seeing 5050-5074 on Fresh Pond when they first came out.

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Nov 2 19:44:44 2009, in response to X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 19:32:11 2009.

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As someone mentioned earlier, it functioned as a Wall Street variant of the BxM3. It ran out of KB and was interlined with the Bx9 (drivers picked runs on the "Bx961").

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by kingsbridge on Mon Nov 2 20:16:25 2009, in response to X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 19:32:11 2009.

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X61 262 St./Bway to Peck Slip/Water Street
x61

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:18:12 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Nov 1 23:50:23 2009.

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I agree

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:20:39 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 2 00:31:39 2009.

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Im sure Gleason had high 4600s new perhaps 3400s new? Ulmer Park had 4700s and 3700s?

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Westcode44 on Mon Nov 2 20:24:50 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:20:39 2009.

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3400-3484 (1984)

4600-4684 (1987)

5500-5527 (1972-Blitz GOH)

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:36:34 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Westcode44 on Mon Nov 2 20:24:50 2009.

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there were some 14 or 1500s too. Im talking about 1990. Plus the 6000s

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 20:41:29 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by kingsbridge on Mon Nov 2 20:16:25 2009.

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Thanks, I pretty much got the Bronx portion understood when people said it was a variant of the BxM3. However, what I'm looking for is if the X61 stopped in Manhattan between 125th and 23rd Streets OR did it do like the BxM18 where in it ran non-stop to 23rd and THEN made stops down to the Financial District.

Thanks in advance
-Trevor
www.ttmg.org

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:46:12 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by B53RICH on Mon Nov 2 19:02:55 2009.

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I believe these were the ones that had a white panel above the back seats instead of the black one on all the RTSs today. I believe some of the private bus companies, before MTA Bus had RTSs with them too.

Let me continue FP original buses.

RTS:

9140-9185, I heard 9186 was here but I never seen it.
9569-9599
5055-5074, I'm glad these are gone from here. They don't fit well here.

OrionVII:

6491-6624, 6490 ran out of Mother Clara Depot few like a week. 6558-6624 is now at Grand Av.



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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:49:03 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:46:12 2009.

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Which ones had white panels?

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Nov 2 20:50:22 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question), posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 20:41:29 2009.

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The X61 ran non-stop between Sedgwick/Fordham and Lower Manhattan.

Initially, it used the Major Deegan Expressway, the 3rd and Willis Avenue Bridges, and the FDR Drive. In the late 1980's, the FDR was closed to buses between 23rd and 96th Streets, so it had to use the X90 (then X23) routing on York/1st/2nd Avenues (without stopping, of course). That added 30+ minutes to the running time each way, which turned off riders to the point that it wasn't worth keeping.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:51:36 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 19:38:19 2009.

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126st had 5025-5054, Fresh Pond had 5055-5074

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:53:17 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 20:49:03 2009.

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1400-1500 series RTS.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 20:57:14 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 00:30:57 2009.

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LOL!
Its like when we have no choice but put a old RTS on the M60.
In Mother Hale it was the 2600's RTS's in the mid 90's.
Todays its the 9000's at MTV.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:04:11 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:53:17 2009.

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Very low 15s right? between the high 14s and low 15s maybe 20 or 30? Everything they had was in good shape, clean blitz buses were very clean.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 21:36:24 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:51:36 2009.

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Oh, thanks.

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 21:37:39 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Nov 2 20:50:22 2009.

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In the late 1980's, the FDR was closed to buses between 23rd and 96th Streets

Would you(or anyone else) happen to know why that was?

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:38:48 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question), posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 21:37:39 2009.

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It was probably on the verge of collapse

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 23:54:04 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:23:10 2009.

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GMC RTS-04 #1854-1858 were the "X61" buses.

Yes, I remember those, but before they came along KB's express fleet was a few 8300s which included 8370, 8372, 8373, 8375 & 8376. Back in those days you could often see KB's Grumman 870s and RTS on the X61.



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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Nov 3 00:17:09 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question), posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 2 21:37:39 2009.

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You couldn't even operate a 15 passenger van on that section. I worked for the Child Welfare Admin. in 1990.1991 and several of our guys got ticketed for driving vans on that section. They would pull you over and weigh the van right on the side of the road.
Rumor also had it that it was an effort to stop illegal vans from tranporting customers between the upper East side and the finacial district downtown. At that time you had a growing number of gyspy vans growing in number doing this routes.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Nov 3 01:26:48 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:31:17 2009.

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I thought the 4900s started at QV. So did they start at KB and move to QV when KB got 5200-5249?

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Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question)

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 05:56:02 2009, in response to Re: X61....Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24 (One More Question), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Nov 3 00:17:09 2009.

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Could that 8000 lb weight restriction have anything to do with it? A fully loaded 15 passenger van is rated for 9600 lb.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by The TransitMan on Tue Nov 3 17:38:38 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Nov 3 01:26:48 2009.

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JUST #4901. #4900, #4902-4944 at Queens Village.

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by B53RICH on Tue Nov 3 18:45:54 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 2 23:54:04 2009.

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Did those 8300's have the converted high back seats like 8466 (now museum bus)?

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Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Nov 3 20:41:19 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Mon Nov 2 20:46:12 2009.

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I remember seeing 9186 operating on FP routes.

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RTS 1761

Posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:44:58 2009, in response to Re: Photo 8051 on the Bx24, posted by The TransitMan on Mon Nov 2 19:31:17 2009.

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GMC RTS-04 #1761 ran as late as October '01 on QV local routes. It had padded express seats somewhat similar to those on Novas and O5s, but not on raised platforms. How that one bus lasted in service so much longer than others of its generation is unknown.

QV and JAM express routes seemed to run the 1996 coach-seated Novas up until '01 when they started running on JAM and UP local routes. Not sure when the MCIs took over the MTA-run express routes in Queens and Brooklyn. Staten Island appeared to have MCIs on its express routes as early as '99.

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 4 08:57:23 2009, in response to RTS 1761, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:44:58 2009.

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1751 and 1852 ran even later. 1852 ran as late as 2002. Queens Division didn't get MCIs until 2002.

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Nov 4 10:46:47 2009, in response to RTS 1761, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:44:58 2009.

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Howard, that is true of every bus group, there is always 1 that out lives the rest, like 6313 which outlasted all the others in the 6000 - 6349 group as did 9178 which also out lasted all the others in it`s group. But, what is even more of a shock was the fact that both of them ended there days @ Ulmer Park, I rode both of them in there last days, both were good runners.

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 4 10:53:10 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 4 08:57:23 2009.

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1751 and 1852 ran even later. 1852 ran as late as 2002. Queens Division didn't get MCIs until 2002.

1852 was transferred to MJQ in 2002.

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 4 12:11:55 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Nov 4 10:46:47 2009.

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Do you mean the 1973 6313?

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by JFK DEPOT on Wed Nov 4 13:48:12 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 4 12:11:55 2009.

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He has to be talking about that bus....
the Orion 63xx's never left Staten Island
I always wonder why they never swapped those out to the outer Boros
you see 6xxx's and 61xx's and 62xx's but never an 05 63xx outside of Staten Island
why is that

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Nov 4 13:48:30 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 4 12:11:55 2009.

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Yes I do, the GMC Fishbowl.

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Wed Nov 4 19:31:03 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 4 10:53:10 2009.

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Yes I remember that and I believe I have a transfer from it while on the M22

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Re: RTS 1761

Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Wed Nov 4 19:34:49 2009, in response to RTS 1761, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:44:58 2009.

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How about when 2270 & 2660 made their way to Yukon sometime in 2002-2003. Those were old, especially 2270 which had the old Vultron Destination sign with the wheels for the codes - which had to be hand written on the interior in marker next to the controls

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GMC RTS #1826 in 2002....Re: RTS 1761

Posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 20:02:17 2009, in response to Re: RTS 1761, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 4 10:53:10 2009.

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I shot this photo back in February of 2002 on the M34 Line.

-Trevor
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Re: GMC RTS #1826 in 2002....Re: RTS 1761

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 4 20:43:50 2009, in response to GMC RTS #1826 in 2002....Re: RTS 1761, posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 20:02:17 2009.

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Some catch. What was it an 81 or 82?

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