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EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008 Hey, all.Without further ado, here's photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus. Exterior:       Interior:      BONUS SHOT! A pic of me in front of the bus:  Yes, people--- I know ---some of them are blurry---or not clear enough---photos but the weather wasn't too nice at times but I didn't let that stop me from taking these photos. There are others that are just too bad to post so I had to pick and choose and these photos are it to share with the world. Except for some decals here and there that have yet to arrive and be put on the bus, this particular one---3626---is 100% finished---or---at least the way you see it, it's finished. Enjoy! ~Cedric Collins~ |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Nov 10 15:40:28 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. A classy-looking vehicle.But then again, I'm biased...I'm an O7 fan. :) |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:51:15 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Nov 10 15:40:28 2008. *lol* Thanks.Even this may a one-time deal since the bus was inside the garage, I'm hoping (and praying) that I may get another chance to take better photos. By that time, any decals that have yet to be put on the bus will already be there. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 10 15:51:16 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Thanks for the photos. That thin black line on the sides of the bus that goes under the bus number is a bit weird - what do you think is the thinking behind that? I'm also glad the bus number on the back of the bus is in a better location than NYCT chose, in terms of the stickers having enough room to be applied flat. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Nov 10 15:56:28 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Great shots! Looks interesting and weird in the METRO paint job! |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by CAT218 on Mon Nov 10 15:57:36 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 10 15:51:16 2008. Maybe so when or if there is advertsing, they don't go above the line and cover the fleet number? |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 10 15:57:51 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Great Catch! |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:58:11 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 10 15:51:16 2008. That thin black line on the sides of the bus that goes under the bus number is a bit weird...Yup but I was told---forgot now what that is---that the line you see there has to be there for some strange reason. Here's what was said about it: that black stripe is weatherstripping connecting two panels of composite material together. ttcmech was the person who said that. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Nov 10 15:59:29 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 10 15:51:16 2008. I like where MTA puts the unit # better. Looks strange in the left side of the engine door. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 16:01:06 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by QM18Express on Mon Nov 10 15:56:28 2008. I knew someone was going to say that it looks weird. *LOL*Even I think it's "kind of" weird---especially at the back but that's how the buses normally look like. Thanks for the comment, BTW! ;) |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 16:04:05 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 10 15:57:51 2008. Thanks! ;) |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 10 16:04:48 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by QM18Express on Mon Nov 10 15:59:29 2008. Yes, I like that the MTA puts it up high, but do to the Orion design of the rear end, there's not enough room to apply the number stickers so that the whole sticker is on the vertical plane. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Nov 10 16:17:22 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 16:01:06 2008. LoL! Yea it's a little weird in a way.And you welcome! :) |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 10 17:23:40 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Interesting to say the least. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 10 17:24:04 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. The rear of the bus makes me say YIKES! |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Nov 10 19:15:55 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Nice photos and catch!! |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 10 22:02:05 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:58:11 2008. Yes, that's a standard part of the Orion VII NG design. It's on the NY Orion VIIs as well. The only thing is that Houston painted over that line, where other Transit Agencies kept that black. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Nov 10 22:18:28 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 10 17:24:04 2008. IAWTP! |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 10 23:03:26 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Ok bus, except...1. Ugly rear of the bus. The same goes for all of the current fleet. 2. Bad place to put the Q card kiosk at the rear, losing 4 seats. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Mon Nov 10 23:20:57 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Nov 10 22:18:28 2008. I far prefer the rear than the front.How many of these monstrosities are you getting again, Cedric? |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 10 23:29:19 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Nov 10 22:18:28 2008. Nothing against the photographer...but Lord please don't take more pics of that rear. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 11 00:21:50 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Mon Nov 10 23:20:57 2008. It looks like 96. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 00:59:24 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Nov 10 19:15:55 2008. Thanks! |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 01:06:56 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 10 23:03:26 2008. Hmmmmm.....1. I'm not too concerned about how the rear looks. They wanted it that way, then I guess I'm OK with it. 2. Not one seat was lost because of the location of the Q Card Reloader. Only on the other 40' NFI buses, you lose one seat. The 30' NFI buses---two seats. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 01:10:44 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 11 00:21:50 2008. Correct, it is 96.Fleet numbers=>3601-3696. To all, YES, it had that new bus smell when I first stepped in it. *LOL* Sorry folks but I now like this bus better than the NFIs for some strange reason. Can't wait to ride 'em when they enter revenue service. |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 01:13:59 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 10 23:29:19 2008. If I get the chance to take pics again---once any more decals are on the bus (if I can get another chance to go where this bus was parked at), YES I WILL take REAR pics of the bus (as well as other sides of the bus)---for reference purposes. ;) |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 09:38:54 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. Hmmm... The signs look like Horizons (160×16 front, 96×8 side).I thought the Titan 200×24 front and 120×16 side was the de facto standard for these new buses. |
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EXCLUSIVE: Videos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 10:40:49 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:32:19 2008. My first YouTube-like videos so bear with me on this one. ;)Test ride (1 of 2): Test ride (2 of 2): Exterior walk-around: Enjoy! ~Cedric Collins~ |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 11:09:22 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 10 22:02:05 2008. Sooo true---but there's one other TA that I know of right off the bat that did the same as we did. Sacramento RT and their O7 NG CNG bus. Trevor has lots of pics of that bus. :) |
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Posted by MTA5000 on Tue Nov 11 14:14:11 2008, in response to EXCLUSIVE: Videos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 10:40:49 2008. Nice! |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 15:29:00 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Videos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by MTA5000 on Tue Nov 11 14:14:11 2008. Thanks! |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 01:10:42 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Tue Nov 11 01:06:56 2008. Concerned?...They dont have a good paint scheme at the rear bus. Admit that.Still, 4 seat loss on that Orion. They could have a 43 seat bus w/ out that Q card machine. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 07:53:47 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 01:10:42 2008. 1. Why? You don't like it, I do. Big deal.2. (buzzer) WRONG! Compare these two photos and judge for yourself. Before installation of Q Card Reloader:  After installation of Q Card Reloader: Sorry but from what I can see, nothing has changed except that Q Card Reloader being there. |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Wed Nov 12 10:53:40 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 07:53:47 2008. If the first is a Houston-spec bus, then it proves nothing - the space could have been allocated for the Q-card machine, therefore adding it wouldn't create a discrepancy between the photos. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 11:57:56 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by RTS_Book on Wed Nov 12 10:53:40 2008. Well---how could the first not be Houston-spec? That model might not have seen any part of Houston yet so I'm more inclined to believe that it is Houston-spec. Except for the Q Card Reloader and those decals you see near the rear door, the two pics look the same to me.I rest my case. ;) |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 13:10:51 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by RTS_Book on Wed Nov 12 10:53:40 2008. Exactly.Those interior pics are the same thing except that that Q Card machine thing on the first pic. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 13:23:47 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 07:53:47 2008. 1. Why? You don't like it, I do. Big deal.If you like that rear exterior paint scheme, then you need check your brain. 2. (buzzer) WRONG! Compare these two photos and judge for yourself. Sorry but from what I can see, nothing has changed except that Q Card Reloader being there. You prove NOTHING. Same photo w/ or w/out the Q Card machine. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Nov 12 13:59:21 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 09:38:54 2008. I believe that only the NGs ordered by MTA have the Titan sign. The TTC and others use Horizons. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 14:48:57 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 13:23:47 2008. Quote from Terrapin Station to another individual on another thread (with minor changes done to the TRUE statement):....there has been no flaming in this thread until your post. The people who actually care to discuss the thread topic engaged in no flaming. Only you, once again, enter a particular thread---this one---to start trouble. True statement, IMHO. Now---how can I not prove anything when you specifically said that four seats were lost because of the location of the Q Card Reloader? 2. Bad place to put the Q card kiosk at the rear, losing 4 seats You DID say that, did you not? The pics speak for themselves. I think I've made my point. Enough said! |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 14:51:25 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 13:10:51 2008. Is that's the case, then why did you specifically tell me that four seats were lost because of the Q Card Reloader? Hmmm? |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 12 15:11:49 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 11:57:56 2008. Whats the Q card ?Q Card Reloader |
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Nov 12 17:07:22 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 10 15:51:15 2008. You're welcome...and don't let the naysayers get to you. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 21:01:32 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 12 15:11:49 2008. Wonderful question.To ALL: Go here to learn all about the Q Card. There's even a URL that'll lead you to a video on how to correctly use the Q Card Reloader. Hope this helps! |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 21:29:46 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 14:48:57 2008. Huh?, Did I flame? No. I gave my honest opinion about it. Yet you the one who wants to comment on my post. There is nothing wrong.You DID say that, did you not? The pics speak for themselves. I think I've made my point. Enough said! You made what point? The pics prove nothing with or without the Q card machine thing. Its a 4 seat lost. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 21:32:18 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 14:51:25 2008. It's a 4 seat lost out of the 43 standard seats in a typical spec to get the max seating of the bus. |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 22:09:01 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 21:29:46 2008. OK---whatever.To ALL: It's just a bus, OK? I really don't care how many seats are on them, what it looks on the outside, etc. All I care about is the bus showing up on schedule and takes me where I need to go. I hope there's some real understanding to that. Thanks. ;) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 12 22:09:53 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 12 21:32:18 2008. makes sense to me! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 12 22:11:35 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 14:51:25 2008. Because he's talking about the NORMAL seating configuration that mostly every other Orion VII NG HEV will have if there's not a reason to take out seats by the rear door! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 12 22:12:56 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 22:09:01 2008. I really don't care how many seats are on themUm, almost everyone else DOES care, and so should you. |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Thu Nov 13 00:03:25 2008, in response to Re: EXCLUSIVE: Photos of a Houston METRO Orion VII NG HEV bus, posted by Houston METRO Fan on Wed Nov 12 11:57:56 2008. You rest your case on an assumption, but you miss the point:If you want to see if a bus loses seating thanks to the Q-card machine, you NEED to compare it to a bus that ISN'T destined to have one. Like, per se, a NYC-spec coach, or one from Toronto, or wherever you prefer. If both photos are of Houston-spec buses, all you're proving is there is a Q-card machine in the bus. If a bus is built without seats in favor of a machine, having the same setup shown with and without card machine proves nothing. I appreciate your endless enthusiasm for all things Metro, but let's not get too carried away - objectivity is always appreciated. Though he tends to flame as well, I think that may be something Gold_12 is looking for... |
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