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Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 31 10:53:55 2008 Remember when the MTA proposed a list of bus routes to cut in Fall 2004 that were supposed to happen in 2006? Anyone have that list in its entirety?Does anyone remember the routes that were going to be cut in 1995? |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 31 11:56:06 2008, in response to Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 31 10:53:55 2008. I only remember the BX-33 nightbus being eliminated in 1995. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 12:08:36 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 31 11:56:06 2008. The Bx3 also lost overnight service as did the Bx11 (the Bx35 was spared). The Bx24 was eliminated in the Bronx.In Brooklyn, the B30 was eliminated. In Queens, the Q76 and Q77 lost all Sunday service, and the Q74 lost weekend service. Also, the B5 and B50 were merged (B82) and the B47 at the time (Lefferts Gardens to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza) and the B62 were merged (B43), with the B62 service to downtown Brooklyn lost. The B54 was reduced to hourly servce overnight as well, and the B2 and B16 lost overnight service. There were many more, but that's what I remember off of the top of my head. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 31 12:15:44 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 12:08:36 2008. It was a bad time. I started in 1995 and our class was told we may not finish the year off. Many mechanics and maintainence managers were transferred to transportation as bus operator and transportation management.Also many managers were layed off. I remember working 5th avenue and only picking up two or three people on an entire trip in the evenings. What changed things dramatically was the metrocard in 1997. Ridership shot up big time, we were overwhelmed quickly. But it saved NYCt buses. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 31 12:17:53 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 12:08:36 2008. Bx 20 -no weekend serviceBx 13 -No OWL Bx 17 -no OWL Bx 33 -no OWL Bx 55 - 161st Street branch eliminated. M116 - no OWL M16 - no service to 42nd Street pier, route cut back to 8th Ave and West 43rd Street Q26 and 42 - no weekend service Q15, and 16 - No OWL |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 31 12:20:00 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 12:08:36 2008. I thought that the Bx24 was cut back to Norwood and renumbered the Bx10, but I guess I was wrong. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 12:21:02 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 31 12:17:53 2008. I think that was when the overnight short turn on the s59 was killed off, leaving no bus on Richmond Ave overnight. But that may have been an earlier cut, too... |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 31 12:26:45 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 31 12:20:00 2008. No, the Bx 24 was eliminated altogether.A restructuring of routes in Riverdal cut back the M100 to the top part of Manhattan island, the Bx1 was also cut back to West 231st Street, while the Bx7 was extended to 168th Street as well as a new route, the Bx 20 was created. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008, in response to Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 31 10:53:55 2008. 1995 New York City Transit Proposed Bus CutsBrooklyn B2 Discontinue service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: B3, B31, B41/B44 buses; 2 train. B5, B50 Combine bus routes to provide a consolidated east-west route between Bensonhurst and Starrett City. Alternate service: All segments of both routes are covered by combined service. B11 Discontinue service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: B6 bus for some customers. B16 Discontinue service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: none. B18 Discontinue service between 11 P.M.-12:45 A.M. every day. Alternate service: B13, B60 buses; J, L trains. B23 Discontinue service between 11 P.M.-1:30 A.M. every day. Alternate service: B8, B9, B41, B68 buses. B47, B62 Combine bus routes to provide a consolidated north-south route between Greenpoint and Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. Alternate service: All segments of both routes are covered by combined service, proximate parallel service, or transfer connection. B69 Discontinue service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: B48, B67 buses. The Bronx Bx3, Bx13 Discontinue combined Bx3 and Bx13 service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: Bx35, Bx36 buses. Bx14 Discontinue bus service between 10:30 P.M.-12:00 Midnight every day. Alternate service: none. Bx17 Discontinue service between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. Alternate service: Bx15, Bx19, Bx55 buses. Bx18 Discontinue Bx18 service. Alternate service: Bx40, Bx42 buses for some customers. Bx20 Discontinue weekday service between 4:50 A.M.-5:30 A.M. and between 11:30 P.M.-12:30 A.M. Discontinue Saturday service between 5:50 A.M.-7:30 A.M. and between 11:00 P.M.-12:30 A.M. Discontinue Sunday service. Alternate service: Bx7, Bx10 buses. Bx24 Discontinue Bx24 service Alternate service: Bx7, Bx9, Bx10, Bx12, Bx20 buses. Bx32 Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service between 6:30 A.M.-7:00 A.M. and 11:00 P.M.-12:15 A.M. Alternate service: Bx3, Bx9 buses. Bx55 Shorten route on north end between 1 A.M.-5 A.M. every day. During the late night hours only, Bx55 service (which currently operates between 149th Street and Gun Hill Road) will terminate at Fordham Road. Alternate service: none. Manhattan M116 Discontinue service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. every day. Alternate service: M7, M102 buses. M30 Discontinue weekday midday service between 10:00 A.M.-4:00 P.M. and all Saturday service. Alternate service: M31, M72 buses. M9 Discontinue service between 9:00 P.M.-10:30 P.M. on weekdays and weekends. Alternate service: M14, M15, M21, M22, M101, M102 buses; N, R, 4, 5, 6 trains. M35 Discontinue rush period only segment between Wards Island and Astoria. Alternate service: M60 bus and transfer to M35 bus in Manhattan. Queens Q79 Discontinue Q79 service Alternate service: none. Q15 Discontinue service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. every day. Alternate service: Q44 bus. Q16 Discontinue service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. every day. Alternate service: Q28, Q44 buses. Q20 Discontinue weekday service between 9:00 P.M.-12:00 A.M. Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service. Alternate service: Q14, Q44, Q65 (from College Point) buses. Q26 Discontinue weekday service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service. Alternate service: Q27, Q30 buses on weekends. No alternate all night service. Q42 Discontinue weekday service between 11:00 P.M.-1:00 A.M. Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service. Alternate service: Q3, Q4, Q5, Q83, Q84, Q85 buses. Q59 Discontinue service between 11:00 P.M.-1:30 A.M. every day. Alternate service: Q58, Q54, B57 buses. Q76 Discontinue service between 11:00 P.M.-1:30 A.M. every day. Alternate service: none. Staten Island S55, S56 Discontinue service between 6:00 P.M.-10:30 P.M. Monday-Friday Alternate service: none. S57 Discontinue service between 11:00 P.M.-1:30 A.M. every day. Alternate service: S54 bus for some customers. S59 Discontinue service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. every day and shorten service from Tottenville to Eltingville during off-peak hours and on weekends. Alternate service: Staten Island Railway, S78, S79, S44 buses. S60 Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service. Alternate service: none. S66 Discontinue weekday service between 1:00 A.M.-5:00 A.M. Discontinue Saturday and Sunday service. Alternate service: S40, S46, S48, S61, S62 buses. Express Bus Service Express bus routes operating from Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan require NYC Transit to spend at least $9.00 per customer more than each fare brings in, much more than the $1.58-per-customer subsidy for local bus routes. Due to the high cost of operation, the relatively small number of daily customers and the availability of alternative rail service, we propose to discontinue all eleven express bus routes operating from these three boroughs. Brooklyn X27 Discontinue service between Bay Ridge and midtown Manhattan Alternate service: N, R trains. X28 Discontinue service between Bensonhurst and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: B, N, R trains. X29 Discontinue service between Coney Island and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: D, Q, F, B, N trains. Manhattan X90, X92 Discontinue service between the upper east side and lower Manhattan. Alternate service: M15 Limited, M66, M30/M72, M79, M86 buses to 4, 5, 6 trains. X25 Discontinue service between Grand Central Terminal and lower Manhattan. Alternate service: M101 bus or 4, 5 trains. Queens X32 Discontinue service between Jamaica and The Bronx High School of Science. Alternate service: Q17, Q26, Q27, Q28, Q44, Q88 buses to subway or Q44 to Bx22 bus. X51 Discontinue service between Flushing and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: Q12, Q13 buses to 7 train, Q88 to R train, or LIRR. X63 Discontinue service between Rosedale and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: Q5, Q85 buses to E, J/Z trains, or LIRR. X64 Discontinue service between Cambria Heights and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: Q3, Q4, Q83 buses to E train, J/Z trains or Q4, Q83 to LIRR. X68 Discontinue service between Floral Park, Bellrose, and midtown Manhattan. Alternate service: Q43 bus to F train or LIRR. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Jul 31 16:25:04 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 12:21:02 2008. no you are right and to this day no hawk service on s59., a line that passes right by yukon. most of those supts were demoted to sld for a brief time and reinstated. nycta also proposed cutting all non si exresses. Kiepper not too good as ta pres. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 17:55:53 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by mci guy on Thu Jul 31 16:25:04 2008. I wish they would bring back that service. If a Mets game runs late, and I miss the last x17 out of 57th Street, I need to take a cab from the Eltingville train station if I want to be home by 1am. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 18:00:03 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008. Yeah, whoever made that cut didn't look at the schedules for those alternate services to the s59. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by mike nash on Thu Jul 31 18:08:36 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 31 12:15:44 2008. reduced hawk service on b3 (30min-60min), b36(40min-60min) b64(30min-60min) combining hawk on b37/63 and 43/48 service reduced(45min-60mins).0 |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Jul 31 19:53:12 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 18:00:03 2008. its a damn shame that hawk is not back on the schedule. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 21:39:26 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 31 17:55:53 2008. Or, if you know you have to catch the last bus...leave the game early! That was the message the MBTA sent to Red Sox fans during that five-game series where the Yankees swept in Fenway a few years ago. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 21:40:46 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 31 12:26:45 2008. But wasn't that around 1988 or 1989?IINM, the MTA wanted to eliminate the Bx18 as well, but the Bx18 escaped the ax. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Fri Aug 1 01:59:56 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008. Whose the genius that thought of these cuts?Use the Bx35/36 as an alt to the Bx3? You get from 181 to Tremont and then what? walk to Riverdale? but then again it ended at kb so you had to walk anyway. Use the Q44 and Bx22 to get from Jamaica to Science? I tried that once, got on the Q46 at 5:50 and still got to school late. This is my favorite one: Bx18 Discontinue Bx18 service. Alternate service: Bx40, Bx42 buses for some customers... so the people on Macombs Rd and Sedgwick were supposed to walk to the (4)? What's ironic is that all the Bronx cuts that were made are needed now and some of the other cuts that were made are being revoked (Q42, Bx3, Bx13). IMO they need to bring the Bx24 back. with the new 225 mall it'd actual see a great deal usage |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 1 02:06:39 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008. Thanks for the list, I find it ironic how the very seldom used S60 survived those cuts but the S59 hawk didn't. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Aug 1 02:57:46 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008. Most of those Staten Island cuts did happen though! Except for the S60 Weekend service. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Aug 1 07:59:11 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Aug 1 02:57:46 2008. And more is going to happen. The 2006 doomsday proposal was in response to a projected $700 million deficit. |
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Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 1 10:33:47 2008, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 31 21:39:26 2008. I can't bring myself to leave a ballgame early when I'm alone. And if I miss a connection -which is common, since I usually arrive 5 minutes after the previous bus has left- I'm just as screwed. |
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(photo) Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List) |
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Posted by gOld_12th on Fri Jul 1 10:17:54 2016, in response to Re: Proposed 1995 &2006 bus cuts (Complete 1995 List), posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 31 13:23:49 2008. Bump.... image from ebay seller.
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