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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 10 00:26:06 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:20:54 2008.  Remember what happened tha last time the ferry wanted to go down Hylan? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:28:34 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:10:49 2008. But can paratransit deliver same-day service (i.e., if someone needs to travel in an emergency that day)? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:28:54 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 23:45:51 2008. I'm not even going to go in detail, over all that is wrong with that assertion. You need to to stop already! The express buses ain't going nowhere. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:30:57 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 9 23:43:53 2008. That would defeat the purpose of riding the express bus in the first place! If one is going to/from Midtown, they can take the buses via NJ and if they're going Downtown, they take the buses via the Battery Tunnel. Very simple! |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:31:20 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:28:54 2008. That is because you cant. Nothing is wrong with taking the boat. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:34:41 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 23:51:46 2008. Nobody is listening to you! |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 10 00:35:52 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:31:20 2008. "Nothing is wrong with taking the boat."Except on July 4th. Then there is no boat. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:36:16 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 10 00:35:52 2008. Then run the boat on july 4th.It is absurd that there is no boat then. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:37:13 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:31:20 2008. The express buses aren't on Staten Island for no reason, but you wouldn't realize that with your senseless beliefs. From certain points on SI, it takes entirely too long to get to the Ferry in a reasonable time and that's where the express buses come in. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:38:32 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:31:20 2008. However...the MTA doesn't appear to agree with discontinuing them (even if people like myself feel that that is the wrong call)...at least not until the next fuel contract has to be signed. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:38:36 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:37:13 2008. Too long is not a metric.If it takes too long for you, live elsewhere. The poorer inner city people should not be subsidizing your ride. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:38:59 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:36:16 2008. There was no boat throughout most of July 4th because of the barges carrying the fireworks.You've honestly got to stop, you're not getting anywhere. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:40:03 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:36:16 2008. That call was made by the Coast Guard...not the city. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:40:47 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:38:59 2008. Move the fireworks. Simple solution to simple problem. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:42:59 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:38:36 2008. The express buses are there and aren't going anywhere. It's a pretty simple concept that you don't seem to grasp. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:43:56 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:42:59 2008. They arent going anywhere now, perhaps, but when fuel prices continue to rise, which they will, I highly doubt the expresses will last for long. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:44:05 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 23:30:05 2008. The ROI on that, however, isn't that great. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:51:15 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:43:56 2008. Staten Island are the heaviest users of express buses and with the lack of (feasible) transportation coverage on the borough, the express buses aren't going anywhere, at all. Actually, according to the Staten Island Transportation Task Force, the SI Express Bus Division is set to expand, scheduling-wise and routing-wise later this year/early next year. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:52:37 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:51:15 2008. No.The heaviest users of express buses would be Queens. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:58:27 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:09:43 2008. Have you been paying attention at all? A commuter rail link is what Staten Island wants! The SI Express Buses didn't receive the lowest report card grade for no reason, but the problem is, Staten Island wouldn't function without the express buses. The express bus network is currently the best (and only) option for most SIers but if a rail link was built, the express bus network would be abandoned in a heartbeat!And you don't have to waste your time coming up with a simple solution. That's that really, the express bus network is to Staten Island as the subway is to the rest of the boroughs, and that's not going to change until an alternative is introduced. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 01:03:54 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:52:37 2008. Not once have I seen a SRO only express bus in Queens or anywhere else but on the SI Express Buses. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Thu Jul 10 01:29:52 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 01:03:54 2008. QM1A, it doesn't happen all the time because of the headways but i have seen it occur.Most of the Queens routes have ridership to match the SI routes, it just we have better service than you do so it's more evenly distributed. There are times when you see more QM1/1A's than Q46 buses. Run the QM1A every 2 hours (like someone suggested) and people would be riding on the roof and sitting on top of each other. What needs to improve in Queens is the info at bus stops, because it's nonexistent. You just get to the stop and pray you didn't miss the bus. I do feel bad for SI riders, but the problem with their express buses can't be fixed until MTA gets more buses and a place to put said buses. And making someone pay $20 to ride an express bus is as irrational as getting rid of the buses. All it would is force people on to the trains which in the case of the (E) aint going to happen cuz it's over capacity. And before anyone says people could take the (V), don't. Cause for most people it would require them to take it, switch to the (E) or (F) at 71st and then get on another bus. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 01:50:40 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:14:58 2008. It didn't look like it, she was surely psychologically disabled though. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 01:52:40 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 00:12:56 2008. You're welcome. I agree with your main argument on express buses and why people ride them, but for this particular scenario, R30A is right other people shouldn't have to pay for "mental" people like her. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 01:56:15 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 00:21:15 2008. Isn't the (6) train that feeds into the QBx1 at capacity? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 02:03:12 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Thu Jul 10 01:29:52 2008. I'm sorry but I don't even know why redundant routes like the QM22, QM17, and QM23 still exist. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 02:35:15 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 02:03:12 2008. The QM22 should be eliminated. However, QM17 service is justified since A service to the Rockaways is mediocre. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 10 07:04:41 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 23:40:31 2008. Well, some areas do need express buses. What they don't need is these overbuilt costly MCI coaches. Transits with soft seats would do just fine. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:08:30 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 00:09:27 2008. No they don't. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:11:30 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 23:52:22 2008. No, you are WRONG.1. The $10 figure is not unsubstantiated. You'd know that if you listened to us more. 2. No, you are not subsidizing the 7 train extension (at least in any significant sense). It is the future development on the far west side that is funding it. Care to try again to post something even remotely true? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:13:46 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 00:07:09 2008. Listen TIMMA! These figures are based on PUBLISHED NUMBERS!!!! You'd know that if you had paid attention in all these express bus threads that you just fart around in over the years! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:15:30 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 02:35:15 2008. Incorrect. NO EXPRESS SERVICE IS JUSTIFIED AT THE CURRENT FARES. Fares should be increased so that the riders are not being subsidized by huge amounts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:17:06 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 23:50:19 2008. There are some days when I don't feel like taking the subway.TOUGH SHITThat's the STUPIDEST reason I have ever heard for trying to justify why express bus riders should continue to be subsidized by huge amounts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:17:50 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:34:41 2008. That's the STUPIDEST reason I have ever heard for trying to justify why express bus riders should continue to be subsidized by huge amounts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:18:51 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 23:21:08 2008. They work fine. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:19:24 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 23:03:38 2008. I missed the part where you graduated from complete moron to dumbass. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 08:05:48 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 01:50:40 2008. Only a physical one is relevant, however...sorry! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 09:13:49 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:17:06 2008. Terrapin, nobody cares what you think at this point. The express buses aren't going anywhere (the fare may rise a little in the future), and they're already planning on expanding the SI Express bus network as soon as depot space is available.That's all I really have to say. Now, I'm going to go catch the X10 in a half-hour because I don't feel like transferring today. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 09:59:41 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 09:13:49 2008. Terrapin, nobody cares what you think at this point.Actually, a lot of people care, as evidenced by all the people who disagree with you and Fartest Glen. The express buses aren't going anywhere That doesn't make them any less wrong! OMG. Something can be "wrong" and still continue on. And it is our duty to make it known how wrong they are. Now, I'm going to go catch the X10 in a half-hour because I don't feel like transferring today. No, you are just using this opportunity to brag that you have money to blow on express buses, and that you don't care that the rest of us have to pay more than you to cover your ride. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 10:17:13 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:15:30 2008. The MTA, however, disagrees with you...I would call it more of a whether you like it or not situation. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 10:19:10 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:08:30 2008. However, the point is that the MTA doesn't agree with your thinking and Linc's, however...whether you like it or not, they're probably here for the long term. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 10:21:38 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 10 00:03:37 2008. But even you have to admit it...at least as the MTA sees it at this time, it's a whether you like it or not situation...and as for politics, I'm not sure that has all to do with it either. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 10 10:53:11 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 02:35:15 2008. There are many, many more A trains than QM17s. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 11:31:42 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 01:56:15 2008. Not in the Bronx. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 12:09:06 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 10 07:04:41 2008. I would accept that as a compromise but the perennial express bus haters aren't interested in compromises. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 10 12:09:16 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 09:13:49 2008. "Now, I'm going to go catch the X10 in a half-hour because I don't feel like transferring today."Good for you. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 12:11:38 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 07:15:30 2008. The express bus doesn't receive billions each year on pie in the sky extensions, station renovations, or new cars (which only appear on certain lines). |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 10 12:16:07 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Jul 10 00:28:54 2008. Don't bother fighting them. They clearly have their own agenda. They're totally oblivious to the flaws in the subway system and the convenience of the express bus. Every 3 months there is an express bus megathread. Every 3 months people repeat the same arguments. The people who USE the express bus know how useful it is. Let this argument go. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 12:27:46 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 10 11:31:42 2008. Is it in Manhattan (where people on that QBx1 probably want to go)? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 10 12:38:10 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 10 00:12:04 2008. For a lot of city residents, young and old, short and long term, the subway, no matter how clean, efficient, and safe it has become since or will become in the future, will always be stuck in their minds as it existed in the 1970's, as that is how it is STILL portrayed in popular culture.And for large portions of the city, the subway is inadequate, or in the case of most of Queens and all of Staten Island, does not reach them. This is an area where x-bus service is called for. And the only real alternative for those people taking the x-bus is simple-drive there. |
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