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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 4 23:17:58 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 4 07:03:08 2011. I don't have to come up with alternate suggestions to refute your arguments; the reasonable refutation is enough.No it isn't if it's not constructive. Duplicate and redundant are nearly synonymous; one means copy, the other repetitious. A lot of your fantasy routes aren't necessary; increasing service frequency on existing routes will accomplish the same thing. Huh? I never said that they weren't. Maybe some of them aren't necessary, but why just increase frequencies when the same can be done in addition to serving new areas? The 93 is just as much a grand tour of Staten Island as the 79, only on single lane roads through the north shore, instead of the multi-lane Hylan Blvd along the south and east. The 79 is scheduled for ~60 minutes from Bay Ridge to the mall @ 8am; the 93 is scheduled for ~34 minutes from Bay Ridge to CSI @ 8am. Given the traffic and the heavy loads destined for CSI, the trip via the 93 will probably take an additional 20 minutes, which isn't enough of a time savings to make someone choose one route over the other. Once again, huh? Victory Boulevard is the only single lane road the S93 runs on in Staten Island, and I believe even then it's only in sections. The new S93 will be geared towards wanting a faster ride to the mall, and since most people will be headed towards the mall during the afternoon, it's better to compare the trip times then. The S79 takes around 80 minutes to go to the mall on a weekday afternoon, while the S93 takes around 35 minutes to go to CSI, 55 minutes (at most) blows 80 minutes out of the water. Don't even get me started on the probable savings during the weekend (when most people are headed to the mall) when there's less traffic on Narrows Road. You don't understand why Tompkins Ave has two routes serving it, but want to provide multiple routes on other roads that also don't need them. The Tompkins Avenue "corridor" doesn't see nearly as much riders as the Hylan Boulevard corridor, the busiest on the island, does though. The S74 and S76 along Richmond Road combined have almost as much ridership as the S61, S62, and S66 along Victory Boulevard combined, but if you feel that a 3rd Hylan Boulevard and Richmond Road route would be overkill, then what do you think about a S79 branch up Giffords Lane replacing my S77, and replacing the northern part of the S76 with my S73, and the southern part of the S76 replaced with the S54/S57? Staten Island is more suburban than urban; the level of service that works in Brooklyn or Queens isn't going to work, or be necessary, on Staten Island. The north shore (the area generally above Victory Blvd and the Staten Island Expressway is well served, and also the area that has more bus riders; less because the service is there and more because most of that area is at or below the average income for Staten Island. This area isn't growing. I'm not the one looking to increase service frequencies to match those in Queens and Brooklyn, you were, remember? I'm just trying to expand the service area, but I understand your point in that the North Shore isn't growing. On the south shore, the income is higher, and transit service is much less of a necessity. This area is growing, but it's not gaining people who will use transit as an alternative to their own cars. Even if the service were available, except for getting to/from their daily jobs, these are not people who will use public transit if they don't want to. You're talking about families of four with four cars, not because they're a necessity, but because they WANT them; where a 17-year-old gets a brand-new Acura or Lexus for their birthday. I know, which is why I didn't really mess with the South Shore besides extending the S89 down there and rerouting the S74 to serve the town homes on Arden Avenue (which I believe will bring some ridership to the S74). |
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